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Old 02-13-2018, 10:17 PM
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Coming from another Floridian, if you're planning on bringing your dog out in public.......
I havent been living in Florida for long, so I do appreciate having your opinion. Especially since it seems like if you have a dog in this state it's at risk for pretty much everything. We took her to a dog park today which was attached to a lake. I kept imagining a gator eating her, ameoba going into her brain, or a snake biting her. Every time I walk her, I see little insects try to jump on her against her white fur. What do you do in terms of flea/tick/heartworm?
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Our vet errs on the lesser side when a dog is older and the risk of vaccine may be less than the benefit, but a healthy 3 year old, he would probably suggest those. They can space the vaccines out if that would make you feel better. We had some shots one day and the rabies about 2 weeks later.
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Arrow risk, mandated vax, & optional vax

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Vax are either optional [Lyme, etc] or mandatory [in the USA, annual rabies by 4 to 6-MO; then 3-yr rabies vax around that anniversary, then every 3 years for life].

If Ur dog has no current rabies-vax, & bites or scratches someone, s/he might be confiscated & killed, their corpse decapitated, & their head sent to the state-vet lab for testing.
I am very irritated when APOs don't take rabies seriously - it's a Godawful illness, & tho a very few ppl have survived it, historically, once U develop symptoms, it's considered 100% fatal.
A few weeks ago, a 48-YO man in India died, 25-years after the dog-bite that apparently delivered the virus; so far as i know, his is the current record for latent incubation of that sickness. // The general latency is up to 8-mos after exposure, but multi-year latencies have been recorded B4, including the sad case of a little girl, who was bitten by a bat in S America, then developed active rabies as a teenager, 8-years later, & died.

Distemper is a horrible disease that can cause permanent neuro damage - & as it's preventable, IMO it's irresponsible to skip that vaccine; even if YOUR dog survives it with no crippling after-FX, there's no reason to presume that any dogs who contract it via Ur dog, will get off so lightly.

Lepto isn't one i'd get automatically *unless* my dog & i lived in an area with a good-sized rat or mouse popn - such as, say, any large urban / burban / metro area. // If i still lived on our family farm, i'd skip Lepto, but i'd also provide MY OWN WATER at dog-shows & public events... & no casual slurping from puddles, ponds, & shared drinking-bowls, either, nor from fountains [yuck!], which aren't filtered, the water is rarely changed, & it's often filthy - bird-droppings, human urine, heavy metals from the dingbats who can't resist tossing coins in, poisonous nicotine from cig-butts... blecch.


k9 flu, statistically, is not very dangerous. // That's no comfort to those who have senior dogs with heart issues, or young pups, who are both among the subsets at higher risk, vs healthy adult dogs.

Canine Influenza Vaccination: Does Your Dog Need It? | petMD
https://www.petmd.com/.../canine-inf...g-need-it-3540...
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Dogs that are at higher risk of exposure should be vaccinated. The first canine influenza vaccine was introduced in June of 2009 to aid in controlling infection with canine influenza virus H3N8, since that was the only strain found in the United States at that time. In 2015, following the Chicago epidemic, ...



Dog flu is real, but there's no reason to panic - The Verge
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...And that's what can kill a dog. So, in these areas where the flu is spreading, pet owners should keep an eye out for symptoms, and talk to their vet about whether the dog should be vaccinated. In fact, both strains of dog flu in the US have a vaccine - which lowers a dog's risk of getting sick, & helps a pup ...


CiV-H3N8 & CiV-H3N2 each have their own vaccine; ask if there are outbreaks locally, or inquire of vets in the city where that next show will be held - if U want to vaccinate, U need to do it approx ONE MONTH B4 exposure may occur. [Don't forget to ID the strain in any outbreak.]

30 of 48 mainland states now have reported cases of both strains - the other 18 states have one or the other, not both [so far].
https://www.dogflu.com/outbreak-map
Click on 2018 for the current map.

Lyme is difficult to prevent - the tiny nymph-stage ticks are the a bit larger than the period at the end of this sentence. // If it's prevalent where U live, i'd probly opt to vaccinate. The cardiac & joint issues it can cause are life-changing, & can be chronic, or fatal - tho usually not immediately.

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Thumbs up Titres [IMO] are great!

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BTW, some years back, when i wanted to titre my dog's immune response vs blindly stick an ampule into her, my vet [in VA] laughed at me.
She thot it was hysterical that i'd "waste my money" [her words] on bloodwork, when the shots were about 1/4th the cost of each titre.
And that didn't even include the office fee [another $35].

Given my druthers, i'd "waste" money, rather than over-vaccinate my dog.
Of them all, rabies is both the most-necessary, AND the most-likely to cause problems.

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Old 02-14-2018, 09:52 AM
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I havent been living in Florida for long, so I do appreciate having your opinion. Especially since it seems like if you have a dog in this state it's at risk for pretty much everything. We took her to a dog park today which was attached to a lake. I kept imagining a gator eating her, ameoba going into her brain, or a snake biting her. Every time I walk her, I see little insects try to jump on her against her white fur. What do you do in terms of flea/tick/heartworm?
Oh god, yea welcome to Florida. I don't let me dogs (or myself for that matter) swim in lakes down here. I've grown up with a healthy terror of lakes. Lol. I find it baffling whenever I go North and people are swimming in lakes. So many things are trying to hurt you down here. Lol.

As far a flea/tick/heartworm goes I am really bad and am not regular on anything although I don't go to parks or take my dogs anywhere that isn't treated. During the summer months I will give my dogs one of the oral flea medications because that is when they get bad but other then that I have had luck, but like I said I am really not good about that. @Aspen726 has said GREAT things about the soresto collars.
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Yep, I've used the Seresto for about 2.5 years and have not seen a single flea or tick on her. We are in the woods every single day and ticks are insane here during the warmer months. I like the Seresto also because I can put it on and forget about it for 6 months. For heartworm, I use Heartgard that I get from my vet.
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I really think that Vets in general, and especially the good ones, have no problem with their profits".

Here in Aus vets wage same as nurse
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@jclark343 thank you for the welcome! I come from a little desert island with no lakes. Hence, I was in for a shock when I moved here. Gators in your backyard?!! WHAT??? Although, I must say, it is a relief to know she is not afraid of water as we plan on taking her sailing with us.... But that's a whole other topic.
@Aspen726 We have started her on hartgard chewable treat for now, but will definitely look into the seresto collar. Thanks!

Anyone had any opinions on the more natural stuff, like this?:
https://www.chewy.com/flea-away-natu...uito/dp/105330

Or sprays like these?:
https://www.chewy.com/natural-care-d...pray/dp/157167
https://www.chewy.com/ark-naturals-n...g-cat/dp/45747
https://www.chewy.com/ark-naturals-f...icker/dp/36018
https://www.chewy.com/richards-organ...ay-12/dp/43609
https://www.chewy.com/pet-naturals-v...spray/dp/35971
https://www.chewy.com/naturvet-herba...ay-16/dp/36823
https://www.chewy.com/natural-chemis...-tick/dp/44509
https://www.chewy.com/dr-harveys-her...n-dog/dp/47379
https://www.chewy.com/cedarcide-orig...-dog/dp/148550

I know many people laugh at the whole "natural" thing, but I know that I have personally benefitted from avoiding excess chemicals where possible and sticking with the natural stuff, so I am wondering if it is the same for your dogs?
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Thumbs up catnip-extract repels mosquitoes better than DEET

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I know that catnip-extract in a pump-spray was proven more effective than DEET at repelling mozzies -
but i've no idea if it affects fleas or ticks in the slightest. U couldn't pay me enuf to smear DEET all over my skin, so i'm very happy to have catnip as a safe alternative, plus here in Mass., blessedly, mozzies aren't the 24 / 7 rotating teams that infest Ol' Virginny, where if it isn't Aedes, it's Asian Tigers, or some other invasive alien, biting nite & day.

I'm also deeply grateful that i've yet to encounter the Euro fire-ants that were transported to New England, & have spread; i was stung 3X in my last 2-yrs in Va, by the S American variant, & had to go to the E.R. each time, blast 'em.

Now that i no longer do a 4-day, 3-night, live-in shift in the "woods" of Lexington, i'm at much-lower risk for Lyme-carrying ticks, but i'm still cautious. // Being the only person in a 4-person home who -Doesn't- have Lyme disease was very sobering.

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@leashedForLife, that really sucks having to go to the ER for the fire ant bites. Sorry you have to go through that. I dont know what I'd be able to do if they affected me that badly as we live in an area that is crawling with them......fire ant bites are almost a daily occurrence for me, but they just make me itch. I'd have to relocate if they had any worse effect for me.
DEET is some nasty stuff but its almost a necessary evil for us....we live right smack next to the marsh and sand nats ( others probably know them as no see ums ) are far worse here than mosquitos, nothing keeps them off as well as deet. But its never a good sign when the bug repellent you're using will actually eat the lettering off of the bottle it comes in! ( and some rubber watch bands )
We sometimes use a homemade rinse for our dogs to help with bugs. We grow rosemary and lemongrass ( lemongrass is actually the true source of citronella, not the geranium which is marketed as the citronella plant ) and boil the two together to make a fragrant rinse. We then rinse the dogs with it. Its not a magic bullet but it seems to help plus they smell great after.
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