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Old 02-12-2018, 09:52 PM
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Are all these vaccinations really necessary?

Ok, so my husband and I recently adopted our Coco about a month ago. Healthy 3-year-old 20 lb female who looks to be something between a brittany and a cocker spaniel. We took her to the vet today for our first examination with her and the vet said she's healthy, but recommended a some vaccinations, some of which I don't necessarily think are important. The shelter we adopted her from already had her vaccinated for rabies and distempter, kennel cough, and some sort of flea and tick treatment (all good so far).

When we took her to the vet, we expected an "all ok!" and a heartworm treatment, but on top of a booster for her, the vet said since we take her to dog parks a lot and pretty much every outdoor space dogs are allowed, its important to vaccinate against leptospirosis and canine influenza.
She said that there was an outbreak of canine influenza in Tampa during a dog show this year (we live in central Florida, 3 hours drive from there) and that we should definately get her vaccinated.

I dont know if either of the two vaccinations were really necessary. What do you think? What vaccinations do you give your dog and how often?
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:55 PM
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Lepto I do consider necessary since that can be deadly or make a dog very sick. Canine influenza I have no real experience with either the flu or the vaccine so I can't offer advice on it.

Here's one case of lepto from around 4 years back https://www.dogforum.com/dog-health/l...omorrow-74786/
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To vaccinate or not? Now theres a hot potatoe. I did a lot of reading about vaccinations. Then considered what my dogs would have. Then outside influences: trialling dogs must have them. So opted for titre test instead. Most dogs i mixed with did not do yrly booster shots. But do titre tests instead. In the part of state i live in there are no ticks or heart worm.so theres another 'preventative' toxin my dog does not require. Every vet i have visited has offered my dogs unecessary vacc's. Its their upsell obligation to employing practice. Do your research... and get informed opinion from RCT's. Then make your decision. My friend had a litter of 8 healthy pups. 1 got collected 1 day early. The remaining 7 went to vet for Vaccinations. All 7 dead. Only 1 pup survived. My friends as he collected pup before loadsa vaccinations in 1 visit poor practice.
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I think part of Vet's recommendations for vaccines is a result of them seeing so many very sick & dying dogs, where disease could have been prevented by vaccination.
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Coming from another Floridian, if you're planning on bringing your dog out in public where she may interact with other dogs I would highly recommend the canine influenza shot. From what I heard the dog flu actually started at a confirmation show in Orlando and spread through the entire state RAPIDLY. It's spread through the air and usually doesn't show signs until after it is contagious so people may not be aware that they are bringing sick dogs out. From the stories I have read it comes on rapidly and takes a lot out of the dogs. I read a heartbreaking story of an aussie breeder who lost 1 older dogs and 2 puppies because of it and the story of her holding her puppy that she had great hopes for while it took it's last breathe was heartbreaking. It's just not worth risking it.

Oh should put it out there I not usually pro vaccination. I only do the state necessary and battled the threat of the dog flu by not taking my dogs out. We ended agility classes early last year and many trials were canceled or postponed.
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I believe it's important to do your own research regarding the issue of vaccines. You will probably find a wide variety of opinions here or anywhere for that matter. But you need to be convinced based on your own research regarding what is right for your own dog. Personally, I did my own research regarding the lepto vaccine and considered many different factors in my own situation (where I live, how often do I go to parks, ponds etc) and also the possible negative effects of the vaccine, and decided not to get it. Do pretty much the same for any other 'non core' vaccine and base your decision on how you feel regarding the information you learn.
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Yeah this is a hot topic. I think its personal preference at least on the yearly boosters. I get all the recommended puppy boosters and 3 year rabies, but have never done the yearly shots. ....but I dont do dog parks or even let my dogs interact with strange dogs, so I dont know what you would need if your dogs do that sort of thing.
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No, they are not necessarily needed. Over vaccinating can be detrimental. All of mine get the first set only from the breeder, then I wait five weeks and get titers done. Then, and ONLY then do they get just what they specifically need, and no others. Another five or so weeks and I titer again. If none are needed none are given. At that point, they are immune usually for life. Giving more won't improve immunity, it will only wreck the immune system. They are either immune or they are not. Vets push tons of vaccines because it's a huge part of their profit...
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I really think that Vets in general, and especially the good ones, have no problem with their profits, with or without vaccinations. I believe that Vets, the good ones, recommend vaccinations because there is empirical evidence that the vast majority of dogs that are regularly vaccinated are healthier and live longer. There are, of course exceptions, as there always are with anything medical.
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It depends on your dogs lifestyle. Some people opt for minimal vaccination. That is not something I would ever do. Then again I have seen a lot of animals die from preventable diseases. The most pain and suffering death I have seen was a miniature horse with rabies. That animal broke its own leg by repeatedly biting it and flipping itself over. That fact and that rabies post exposure treatment for humans is 3-5 shots and costs about 1000$ per shot. There was a little boy in Florida who died from rabies earlier this year.

The record for the most expensive veterinary bill (last I heard) was for an adult dog that contracted parvo (part of the DA2PP vaccine). That bill cost in the neighborhood of 60,000. It was basically the equivalent financially of sending your child to Harvard for a year.

I saw a service dog with lepto. The dog was not vaccinated for lepto and contracted the disease. The dog spent over a month at a teaching hospital, it was on dialysis. Due to the fact that lepto is zoonotic it was a biocontainment issue, gloves changed after handling the dog, dog had to be walked and cleaned up after in a certain area. Specific cleaners had to be used to prevent the spread to people. At the end, the bill was somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000. The owner was in a really terrible spot at the end, where he had to decide if he wanted to continue dialysis or euthanize the dog. He lived out of state and the nearest dialysis was a 4 hour drive away. The dog required dialysis 3 times a week. It was unlikely, that the dog would end up being able to continue to be his service animal (owner was a double amputee, who used the dog for stability). I am not sure what he ended up deciding to do. It was upsetting because vaccination could have prevented that. Granted lepto is not a perfect vaccination and only covers 4 serovars and there is mixed evidence of cross protection.

We are, as a general rule, really lucky in America. Vaccinations are so common that we experience herd immunity without really thinking about it. Most people don't think about or see the diseases we vaccinate for because so many people vaccinate. In parts of Southeast Asia and Africa diseases like Rabies are much more common and its not uncommon for people to die from them. We sometimes forget how horrible it is to watch animals who have these diseases suffer from them. It is pretty horrible to see puppies with parvo virus and to clean up the diarrhea from a parvo puppy (bright red blood with chunks of intestines in it). Its worse because its preventable. I am a big fan of vaccination but not all vaccines are right for everyone. Things like lyme, lepto, kennel cough and flu are based on risk. If your vet is suggesting it, it may be because they are seeing a lot of animals sick with that disease. People tend to think vets are in it for the money, but realistically titers are way more expensive then vaccines.
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