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Old 11-11-2017, 12:39 PM
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Oh man. That sounds like it must have been so hard to watch your pup deteriorate like that. I know death is inevitable and every pet eventually passes on, it just makes me so sad my boy just turned 9 and is going through all this. I hope he doesn't get as sick as yours did and that I can make the tough decision when it comes to it. Our cardiologist made it very clear she would let me know when it was time because she knows how hard its been for us all. Foxys on 6 different meds for 4 months now so its 15 pills a day also D: i guess when you thinj of it i know he is pretty sick but you just cant tell by looking he seems so young and full of life and he is young. At least your baby lived such a full long life! If i can extend foxys for even 2 more years I will be so grateful.
We let Nemo go on his own..my sister just couldn't go through with putting him to sleep because everyday when she thought this is it Nemo would bounce back and be good as new, she couldn't put him down knowing he would be begging for steak and bread..so she wanted him to go peacefully on his own, in his own home and that is what he did..even with all the Viagra she gave him a whole pill that morning it made zero difference..as long as your pup is happy, able to walk around, doesn't have trouble breathing, doesn't need to go to the ER for oxygen, than he is OK..you can control the control with the cough suppressant, maybe with a humidifier sometimes it would help Nemo, not all the time but it did help..and also wearing warm clothing..whenever it was cold and Nemo went outside he would start coughing more.that sound, that is the coughing sound you dont soon forget, must be the worst sound in the world I hated that sound..you can hear the difference when its something to do with the lungs or the trachea. I really really wish they would find a cure for this, so many dogs suffer from it and yet they have yet to come up with a cure, a fix, something..Viagra is fine but it doesnt last long, after a while the dog needs more and more to survive it just stinks..some breeds gets this condition while others dont, its a genetic thing, same with trachea collapse, small breeds get it, while big dogs dont. Big dogs have their own issues, cancer, etc..so every breed has something. Please keep me updated on Foxy I will pray for him. He doesn't sound as serious as when Nemo was diagnosed, Ive read some dogs can live 2 yrs with hypertension, I find that hard to believe but who knows..will keep him in my thoughts and prayers.
Here is a picture of our Nesmo..I didnt know how to upload one here so just uploaded it on one of those online sites. look at how happy he was, that is how I will remember him
https://imgur.com/a/pPv7K
Awww what a cutie! What breed is that? It sounds like you did the right thing. I would want the same as well, not have to put him down but let him go at home around us in his comfortable place. We are not there yet but it's true that this disease has its ups and downs and it does get harder to recooperated each time there is a down side as the med dosages start being maxed out theres not as much leeway to increase further without compromising other organ functions. This is foxy the chihuahua. Thanks so much foxy needs all the prayers! Will look into humidifiers and he is going to be wearing his jacket each time for the walks. His coughs are definitely exaggerated we are having below 25 degree weather right now!
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Awww what a cutie! What breed is that? It sounds like you did the right thing. I would want the same as well, not have to put him down but let him go at home around us in his comfortable place. We are not there yet but it's true that this disease has its ups and downs and it does get harder to recooperated each time there is a down side as the med dosages start being maxed out theres not as much leeway to increase further without compromising other organ functions. This is foxy the chihuahua. Thanks so much foxy needs all the prayers! Will look into humidifiers and he is going to be wearing his jacket each time for the walks. His coughs are definitely exaggerated we are having below 25 degree weather right now!
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww he's adorable!!! His face looks similar to Nemo even though they are not the same breed. Nemo was a Pomeranian Mix..we once did a DNA test on him to find out what breed he is because well he was definitely Pomeranian, personality, body wise all Pom, but his ears, well he had soft velvet ears that would go up and down and I never saw Poms ears do that..they said he was mixed with terrier and a few other breeds like Maltese but about 80 percent Pom..here in California its kind of chilly for us 70 degrees is considered chilly LOL for states like Michigan, yeah I can imagine 25 degree weather for a pup that has heart and lung issues it wont be easy but if you have a heater in your house keep it on as much as possible and only take Foxy outside when he needs to pee/poop, the less he is outside the better. A dog like this with these issues a good temp is about oh 75 degrees that is what Nemo's Cardiologist would always say, not too hot and not too cold..we used to call it Nemo weather Maybe Foxy will be one of the lucky ones, I sure hope so..managing the cough is the worst once that gets figured out he can last longer..its the cough that weakens their heart muscle which causes the murmur, etc
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww he's adorable!!! His face looks similar to Nemo even though they are not the same breed. Nemo was a Pomeranian Mix..we once did a DNA test on him to find out what breed he is because well he was definitely Pomeranian, personality, body wise all Pom, but his ears, well he had soft velvet ears that would go up and down and I never saw Poms ears do that..they said he was mixed with terrier and a few other breeds like Maltese but about 80 percent Pom..here in California its kind of chilly for us 70 degrees is considered chilly LOL for states like Michigan, yeah I can imagine 25 degree weather for a pup that has heart and lung issues it wont be easy but if you have a heater in your house keep it on as much as possible and only take Foxy outside when he needs to pee/poop, the less he is outside the better. A dog like this with these issues a good temp is about oh 75 degrees that is what Nemo's Cardiologist would always say, not too hot and not too cold..we used to call it Nemo weather Maybe Foxy will be one of the lucky ones, I sure hope so..managing the cough is the worst once that gets figured out he can last longer..its the cough that weakens their heart muscle which causes the murmur, etc
I definitely thought terrier and I can see the pom in the face lol we moved here from Texas so it's really foxys first crazy cold winter. He has experienced below freezing cold before but for a few weeks max on and off not months on end. We were below 20 a couple days ago and we hear it gets much colder in later months up here D: i wish there was a way to avoid going outside so much. He takes 2 meds that make him pee a lot so he goes outside about 6 times per day >< the thing about the cough is that it's really up to the owners discretion. He was having problems keeping his kidney levels down and we got them to settle this last time. I dont want to change his meds again and have an imbalance in his values again. The hard part is the vet makes the recommendations and we have to decide wether the good outweighs the bad. I'm always so apprehensive adding or changing meds when you had a good thing going.
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I definitely thought terrier and I can see the pom in the face lol we moved here from Texas so it's really foxys first crazy cold winter. He has experienced below freezing cold before but for a few weeks max on and off not months on end. We were below 20 a couple days ago and we hear it gets much colder in later months up here D: i wish there was a way to avoid going outside so much. He takes 2 meds that make him pee a lot so he goes outside about 6 times per day >< the thing about the cough is that it's really up to the owners discretion. He was having problems keeping his kidney levels down and we got them to settle this last time. I dont want to change his meds again and have an imbalance in his values again. The hard part is the vet makes the recommendations and we have to decide wether the good outweighs the bad. I'm always so apprehensive adding or changing meds when you had a good thing going.
Is Foxy on Lasix? Back in late March when Nemo went to the ER for trouble breathing and they told him he had fluid in the lungs, they gave him a shot of Lasix which the next day caused Kidney Failure, that is why he was originally given 2 days to live, but his kidneys bounced back..some dogs need Vetmadine and Lasix while some can do just fine on Vetmadine, if Nemo didnt get the Pulmonary Hypertension he would still be alive as for heart failure I think the average life span is 2 years. Darn cold weather, yeah if he has to pee a lot I guess he has no choice but keeping something extra warm on him might help, like a jacket or something, but also check to make sure he doesnt get overheated. Just out of curiosity, what was Foxy's Pulmonary Pressure test number? When Nemo started collapsing for no reason his number was 140 which is unheard of, up to 90 the dog should be collapsing non stop, but Nemo had 140 the Cardiologist had no clue how he was still alive
Yeah Nemo was a rare one, one of many breeds..his personality was something special, tilting his head when you talked to him like he understood you, putting his paw underneath himself when he sat..his ears always up..always wanted to play and jumping for food he had an amazing personality
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Is Foxy on Lasix? Back in late March when Nemo went to the ER for trouble breathing and they told him he had fluid in the lungs, they gave him a shot of Lasix which the next day caused Kidney Failure, that is why he was originally given 2 days to live, but his kidneys bounced back..some dogs need Vetmadine and Lasix while some can do just fine on Vetmadine, if Nemo didnt get the Pulmonary Hypertension he would still be alive as for heart failure I think the average life span is 2 years. Darn cold weather, yeah if he has to pee a lot I guess he has no choice but keeping something extra warm on him might help, like a jacket or something, but also check to make sure he doesnt get overheated. Just out of curiosity, what was Foxy's Pulmonary Pressure test number? When Nemo started collapsing for no reason his number was 140 which is unheard of, up to 90 the dog should be collapsing non stop, but Nemo had 140 the Cardiologist had no clue how he was still alive
Yeah Nemo was a rare one, one of many breeds..his personality was something special, tilting his head when you talked to him like he understood you, putting his paw underneath himself when he sat..his ears always up..always wanted to play and jumping for food he had an amazing personality
Awe he does sound like one of a kind those ears are so beautiful too! I can see with that type of personality how you guys kept thinking he still had more life in him even towards the end. Foxy is very calm and quiet but very sweet and gentle. To be honest I dont remember the reading, I'd need to look back at the records. Foxy is on lasix 3 times daily and also spironolaxtone twice which also makes him go pee. And vetmedin 3 times daily. Then enalapril, butorphanol and the viagra twice. They cut back on enalapril when his kidney values were bad. He's had a lasix injection when he collapsed and then his kidney values were real high I wonder if that was why.
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Awe he does sound like one of a kind those ears are so beautiful too! I can see with that type of personality how you guys kept thinking he still had more life in him even towards the end. Foxy is very calm and quiet but very sweet and gentle. To be honest I dont remember the reading, I'd need to look back at the records. Foxy is on lasix 3 times daily and also spironolaxtone twice which also makes him go pee. And vetmedin 3 times daily. Then enalapril, butorphanol and the viagra twice. They cut back on enalapril when his kidney values were bad. He's had a lasix injection when he collapsed and then his kidney values were real high I wonder if that was why.
Oh Ok so Foxy is the exact opposite of Nemo..Nemo could NOT handle Lasix at all, even a small dose would have killed his kidney function..he was already at renal failure because of the injection..thankfully Vetmadine was fine on him he was able to handle it just fine..some dogs can handle Lasix some cant..and Nemo well, he was a rare one indeed..he had chronic pancreatitis(When he was young, he ate a corn WITH the cob, they didnt realize he had eaten the cob til the next day and since it had starch in it, he had to spend a week in the hospital) Nemo had a genetic defect which made him always hungry..a regular dog would have stopped with the corn he ate the cob too! He had stomach issues, inflammation from time to time, acid reflux, he was on Pepsid twice a day and also Tylan powder for his chronic colitis(Told ya he was special!) honestly, he was on 14 pills the last month of his life and the fact that his stomach didnt fail on him shows that we were always worried about the wrong thing. Its always like this, you worry about one thing and something else gets ya.
Did Foxy get the Pulmonary Pressure test when he was diagnosed with PH? Do you remember what his numbers were?
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Oh Ok so Foxy is the exact opposite of Nemo..Nemo could NOT handle Lasix at all, even a small dose would have killed his kidney function..he was already at renal failure because of the injection..thankfully Vetmadine was fine on him he was able to handle it just fine..some dogs can handle Lasix some cant..and Nemo well, he was a rare one indeed..he had chronic pancreatitis(When he was young, he ate a corn WITH the cob, they didnt realize he had eaten the cob til the next day and since it had starch in it, he had to spend a week in the hospital) Nemo had a genetic defect which made him always hungry..a regular dog would have stopped with the corn he ate the cob too! He had stomach issues, inflammation from time to time, acid reflux, he was on Pepsid twice a day and also Tylan powder for his chronic colitis(Told ya he was special!) honestly, he was on 14 pills the last month of his life and the fact that his stomach didnt fail on him shows that we were always worried about the wrong thing. Its always like this, you worry about one thing and something else gets ya.
Did Foxy get the Pulmonary Pressure test when he was diagnosed with PH? Do you remember what his numbers were?
Yikes it sounds like you guys were dealing with a lot of different ongoing things. But sometimes thats the hand you are dealt with, Nemo is lucky because a lot of the times people unfortunately opt out due to the hard work/costs of treating all these conditions. I saw several vets when we moved to Michigan 8 months ago before deciding to just stick with the cardiologist as our primary vet. One of those vets seemed surprised I was going around trying to find a primary vet, he said only 5% of people will actually go and take their pets to see a specialist. I'm convinced foxy would have died if he was not being seen by a cardiologist now. The regular vets dont have the knowledge to prescribe all these additional meds that really do help. But Foxy gets his pressure checked each time we go but to be honest I dont know the values of what it was when he collapsed nor what it was supposed to be. The sildenafil fixed it right up. I was more worried about his breathing rate for weeks he was 120 breaths per minute it was insane and for months on and off 70 and 80 was normal breathing rate for him which was very alarming. Even when the vet gave us the ok with that it took him about 2 months for the breathing rate to go back down to what its supposed to be. For us the breathing rate has been the biggest indicator to catch things when he is not doing well.
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Yikes it sounds like you guys were dealing with a lot of different ongoing things. But sometimes thats the hand you are dealt with, Nemo is lucky because a lot of the times people unfortunately opt out due to the hard work/costs of treating all these conditions. I saw several vets when we moved to Michigan 8 months ago before deciding to just stick with the cardiologist as our primary vet. One of those vets seemed surprised I was going around trying to find a primary vet, he said only 5% of people will actually go and take their pets to see a specialist. I'm convinced foxy would have died if he was not being seen by a cardiologist now. The regular vets dont have the knowledge to prescribe all these additional meds that really do help. But Foxy gets his pressure checked each time we go but to be honest I dont know the values of what it was when he collapsed nor what it was supposed to be. The sildenafil fixed it right up. I was more worried about his breathing rate for weeks he was 120 breaths per minute it was insane and for months on and off 70 and 80 was normal breathing rate for him which was very alarming. Even when the vet gave us the ok with that it took him about 2 months for the breathing rate to go back down to what its supposed to be. For us the breathing rate has been the biggest indicator to catch things when he is not doing well.
The Cardiologist always told my sis to check Nemo's tongue, if its bright red than its fine, if its blue he's not getting enough oxygen. Yeah Nemo was a rare one his Vet said a long time ago other people wouldn't spend as much money as my sis did to treat him but he was our baby and we loved him so much. He was my sister's first baby..she got him from a doggy day care that is why we are not sure of his exact age, guessing he was around 14-15 when he died..his pic when we first got him he looked like a young pup, a baby, but heck they can look young and still be 3 yrs old so who knows. Now Maxie, the shih tzu that my sister has(We got him from our neighbor down the street they could no longer take care of him so we took him) he is 11 years old, gonna be 12 in December..he sleeps in Nemo's bed..he took Nemo's death real hard, he knew, I think dogs know no matter what what death smells like. They were close, always playing together, humping each other, it was a Nemo thing he loved to hump LOL. Even their neighbor's dogs came over that day, she is a pit bill mix named Nola, she went into the computer room where Nemo slept(And died) Nola would always run into that room take a squeaky toy and run off..but NOT this time, she went into the room, put her tail down, and walked away..even SHE knew..I guess dogs just know, they know the smell of death.
The next time Foxy gets a pulmonary pressure test I would love to know the number just for curiosity..ask if there are any new experimental treatments too, even though its only Viagra maybe something else will come down the pike. I always hoped that Nemo would live long enough to get him a cure but it didnt happen. Does Foxy still collapse or is the main issue the cough? Sometimes I know when Nemo would cough a lot he would collapse, but before the PH diagnosis he would cough and be fine, just run off to cough I guess the cough scared him so he didnt want to be bothered. Yeah regular vets are NOT familiar with this kind of stuff, that is why a Cardiologist is best..wish we knew back in December when the cough got worse to see a Cardiologist
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The Cardiologist always told my sis to check Nemo's tongue, if its bright red than its fine, if its blue he's not getting enough oxygen. Yeah Nemo was a rare one his Vet said a long time ago other people wouldn't spend as much money as my sis did to treat him but he was our baby and we loved him so much. He was my sister's first baby..she got him from a doggy day care that is why we are not sure of his exact age, guessing he was around 14-15 when he died..his pic when we first got him he looked like a young pup, a baby, but heck they can look young and still be 3 yrs old so who knows. Now Maxie, the shih tzu that my sister has(We got him from our neighbor down the street they could no longer take care of him so we took him) he is 11 years old, gonna be 12 in December..he sleeps in Nemo's bed..he took Nemo's death real hard, he knew, I think dogs know no matter what what death smells like. They were close, always playing together, humping each other, it was a Nemo thing he loved to hump LOL. Even their neighbor's dogs came over that day, she is a pit bill mix named Nola, she went into the computer room where Nemo slept(And died) Nola would always run into that room take a squeaky toy and run off..but NOT this time, she went into the room, put her tail down, and walked away..even SHE knew..I guess dogs just know, they know the smell of death.
The next time Foxy gets a pulmonary pressure test I would love to know the number just for curiosity..ask if there are any new experimental treatments too, even though its only Viagra maybe something else will come down the pike. I always hoped that Nemo would live long enough to get him a cure but it didnt happen. Does Foxy still collapse or is the main issue the cough? Sometimes I know when Nemo would cough a lot he would collapse, but before the PH diagnosis he would cough and be fine, just run off to cough I guess the cough scared him so he didnt want to be bothered. Yeah regular vets are NOT familiar with this kind of stuff, that is why a Cardiologist is best..wish we knew back in December when the cough got worse to see a Cardiologist

I feel the same way about foxy. I love him so much he is also my first baby gifted to me on my bday after asking for him I travelled out of state to Cali in fact juat to pick him up from his breeder. I have 3 other dogs but in my heart foxy is the first and pampered one. I can't let him pass without trying everything in my power. I've as of last week gotten lucky in that i got a job at a vet hospital only 4 hours a week as kennel tech but what pays off even better is the perks. You get at cost prices for everything no exam fees my coworker said her dogs 2000 surgery came down to 200 bucks. I feel like my prayers are veing answered in terms of us moving to a city where there are plenty if cardiologist in our city in texas there were none. And now I have a job where foxys vet bills will be super discounted. All of his lab work x rays can be done where I work and the cardiologist can do the more in depth stuff his pressure med adjustments echocardiogram etc. I'll definitely ask about advancements and what his levels are, now im curious too. Foxy only collapsed the one time. The second he did he was rushed to the emergency 10 minute away from home so i think also the quick response time helped in treating him cause it's never happened again thank god. Nemo lived a long full life at 14. If foxy can make it to 12 (I know that's asking the world cuz 2 years ago already he was taking enalapril and had an enlarged heart), i can reat happy. But 9 is so young for a chihuahua its really upsetting :/
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I feel the same way about foxy. I love him so much he is also my first baby gifted to me on my bday after asking for him I travelled out of state to Cali in fact juat to pick him up from his breeder. I have 3 other dogs but in my heart foxy is the first and pampered one. I can't let him pass without trying everything in my power. I've as of last week gotten lucky in that i got a job at a vet hospital only 4 hours a week as kennel tech but what pays off even better is the perks. You get at cost prices for everything no exam fees my coworker said her dogs 2000 surgery came down to 200 bucks. I feel like my prayers are veing answered in terms of us moving to a city where there are plenty if cardiologist in our city in texas there were none. And now I have a job where foxys vet bills will be super discounted. All of his lab work x rays can be done where I work and the cardiologist can do the more in depth stuff his pressure med adjustments echocardiogram etc. I'll definitely ask about advancements and what his levels are, now im curious too. Foxy only collapsed the one time. The second he did he was rushed to the emergency 10 minute away from home so i think also the quick response time helped in treating him cause it's never happened again thank god. Nemo lived a long full life at 14. If foxy can make it to 12 (I know that's asking the world cuz 2 years ago already he was taking enalapril and had an enlarged heart), i can reat happy. But 9 is so young for a chihuahua its really upsetting :/
That is great that you work at a Vet's office, you can get much needed advice there too. I could never work at a Vet's office, so sad seeing pups and cats being brought in who are real sick would break my heart I couldn't do it..Sounds like Foxy is in better shape than Nemo was when he was diagnosed with PH, I think Foxy's condition must have been caught early because Nemo even when he was put on the Viagra he still collapsed, just not every second but it didnt stop it cold he would still collapse every other day or so, when he got super excited, which in Nemo's case since he was always excited about everything he would jump like crazy which would cause a collapse. Yeah I agree 9 years old is WAY too young to bury a pup.if you can have another 2 years with him, which is POSSIBLE even with PH, if caught early I have read dogs live 2 years with the condition. The problem with Nemo is they found it so late, have no idea how it happened it was just bam out of the blue, first the heart murmur when he was full of fluid, then 2 days later with the collapsing, like a snowball effect zero warning, nothing other than the coughing which he had done for 5 years so still a mystery exactly what happened..how a murmur could have been missed since he went to the Vet in that time span at least 4 times how could it have been missed, we will never know what really happened unfortunately Foxy looks like a happy pup, but the cold weather I bet he hates it, just have to deal with it I guess cold weather is tough on everyone, especially dogs with heart/lung issues. Praying SO much for Foxy, when I see him I see Nemo and I want him to have a better shot than Nemo did
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