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Old 11-01-2017, 09:58 PM
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Advanced heart disease and weather

Hi, I have a 9 year old LC chihuahua that has advances heart diease and has been in and out of CHF 3 times this past year. He is on 6 medications and has been doing pretty well the last few months. Last winter in January is when he had his first CHF episode which thankfully we corrected with medication adjustments. Now that it is getting colder here in Michigan, I notice his coughing (he coughs a lot daily even while on cough suppresants) is increasing again. Does anybody have experience with cough or hearr disease being affected by colder or hot weather? I am making the connection now thinking it's getting colder is this affecting him. Should I keep him extra warm even more so than my other healthy dogs that dont seem to mind the weather on their quick walks outside? Any bit of insight helps thanks!
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Old 11-02-2017, 11:21 AM
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If he is coughing more, his congestive heart failure is not being controlled. Have your Vet assess and perhaps make some medication adjustments.
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If he is coughing more, his congestive heart failure is not being controlled. Have your Vet assess and perhaps make some medication adjustments.
We last saw his cardiologist 2 weeks ago and she does not think the cough is due to CHF but to some related bronchial collapse he has. His cough suppresants don't fully control the cough. We check his breathing rates daily so we know he is not having another episose. I guess what I am wanting to hear is from others that have gone through the same that can share from their own observations.
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Does he have a trachea collapse? Boy this brings back bad memories with our Nesmo..he also had a trachea collapse, which after many years, turned into a heart murmur, then heart failure/pulmonary hypertension..that cough, I seriously hated that sound..Yes in cold weather they cough more than in warmer weather this is true..not sure if your pup is on torbatol that is what Nemo took when he had this condition..its a decent cough suppressant but it does irritate the stomach over time
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never gets all that cold here in California so we don't see that here..., but I recall coughing myself when it got really cold when I used to live in the Rockies... guess that would be possible for a dog already with a tickly throat or a bronchitis (with or without a cardiac condition as well). Being too hot is much more like to aggravate a dog's heart condition, but I don't see how cold would do that. But I can imagine that it would aggravate other causes of coughing in dogs (bronchitis, tracheal problems etc.).

Many chihuahuas have tracheal collapse or chronic coughs completely unrelated to their valvular heart conditions, so many will end up being on codeine as well as their heart meds. Some will need to be on Sildenafil, too (aka Viagra) for pulmonary hypertension that can also be a cause of coughing.
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Does he have a trachea collapse? Boy this brings back bad memories with our Nesmo..he also had a trachea collapse, which after many years, turned into a heart murmur, then heart failure/pulmonary hypertension..that cough, I seriously hated that sound..Yes in cold weather they cough more than in warmer weather this is true..not sure if your pup is on torbatol that is what Nemo took when he had this condition..its a decent cough suppressant but it does irritate the stomach over time
This sounds very similar to my Foxy. He had tracheal collapse since young and now its secondary bronchial collapse from all the coughing through the years. Everything you have listed he has. He has been very controlled the last 4 months no issues but his cough is increasing again and it makes us real nervous. The last time he went in to check on the cough but we were told it wasnt a CHF relapse. He takes butorphanol for his cough. We resisted on the stronger combo with hydrocodone homatropine but wondering if we should move to stronger for the winter.
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never gets all that cold here in California so we don't see that here..., but I recall coughing myself when it got really cold when I used to live in the Rockies... guess that would be possible for a dog already with a tickly throat or a bronchitis (with or without a cardiac condition as well). Being too hot is much more like to aggravate a dog's heart condition, but I don't see how cold would do that. But I can imagine that it would aggravate other causes of coughing in dogs (bronchitis, tracheal problems etc.).



Many chihuahuas have tracheal collapse or chronic coughs completely unrelated to their valvular heart conditions, so many will end up being on codeine as well as their heart meds. Some will need to be on Sildenafil, too (aka Viagra) for pulmonary hypertension that can also be a cause of coughing.
Thanks for the input. I'm not sure i have noticed an increase in cough in hot summer but I have in the winter. In the past it was cuz of CHF but we were told it wasnt this time around. Foxy is also on sildenafil but he has been on that for 4 months and the increase in coughing is just happening now as its gotten really cold up here in Michigan. I know it is hard to give explanations for why conditions can get aggrevated. Maybe tips on how to control the cough in winter months ><
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This sounds very similar to my Foxy. He had tracheal collapse since young and now its secondary bronchial collapse from all the coughing through the years. Everything you have listed he has. He has been very controlled the last 4 months no issues but his cough is increasing again and it makes us real nervous. The last time he went in to check on the cough but we were told it wasnt a CHF relapse. He takes butorphanol for his cough. We resisted on the stronger combo with hydrocodone homatropine but wondering if we should move to stronger for the winter.
Let me give you some advice..because with Nemo he deteriorated so fast..he was diagnosed with a trachea collapse in 2012..he had been coughing for a little while before that but when I googled it it said something about "small dog syndrome" we had no idea he had a trachea collapse til his Vet told us he had it..his Vet always said "No one dies from a trachea collapse" which is total BS..of course they die, just not of a collapsed trachea, but from heart failure/pulmonary hypertension..all of a sudden this year everything went down hill, the coughing got worse, the Vet suggested a teeth cleaning, never heard of a teeth cleaning curing a trachea collapse, of course it didnt. he was put on Torbatol, which like ALL cough suppressants, only masks the issue, it doesnt solve anything. Than in late March, he just collapsed, couldn't breathe, took him to the ER, Vet said he was full of fluid, heart failure, took Lasix, gave him a bad reaction, got kidney failure, was given 2 days to live he survived..his lungs were clear and kidney function returned to normal, a few days later, he kept on collapsing when excited, no one knew why..he went to a Cardiologist, which he should have gone to day 1, NO ONE suggested a Cardiologist so PLEASE for your pup get a cardiologist to check him out, his lungs AND heart..he was diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension, given Viagra, given 6-9 months to live, in August, got pneumonia, he never recovered and died on August 30th, the saddest day of my life..so if I could give you one bit of advice, watch your pup constantly, ANYTHING out of the ordinary, he doesnt want to go for walks, coughs more than usual, get him checked out by a Cardiologist, do a pulmonary pressure test on his lungs, get an ultra sound on his heart..because your dog reminds me SO much of our Nesmo, a regular Vet wont be able to help they have no clue he needs to have a Cardiologist check him, to check everything and go from there
Also, these cough suppressants, they CAN cause tummy issues, so only give them when needed, Nemo got inflammation in the stomach from taking Torbatol after a while, it irritates the stomach
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Does he have a trachea collapse? Boy this brings back bad memories with our Nesmo..he also had a trachea collapse, which after many years, turned into a heart murmur, then heart failure/pulmonary hypertension..that cough, I seriously hated that sound..Yes in cold weather they cough more than in warmer weather this is true..not sure if your pup is on torbatol that is what Nemo took when he had this condition..its a decent cough suppressant but it does irritate the stomach over time
May I ask how long your nemo lived after starting the stronger meds cocktails to control hypertension etc? Foxy started on sildenafil in July after a collapse scare! I know his time is limited but he seems to be doing so well right now.
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May I ask how long your nemo lived after starting the stronger meds cocktails to control hypertension etc? Foxy started on sildenafil in July after a collapse scare! I know his time is limited but he seems to be doing so well right now.
With Pulmonary Hypertension he was given Viagra, his initial diagnosis said 6-9 months..but because he got Pneumonia in August, his lungs just couldnt take it..and he hardly went outside, his lungs were in bad shape so he just got pneumonia because his lungs developed it..and even though the meds did help, his lungs kept on producing mucus..Viagra is the only treatment for PH, there is no cure..I called EVERYWHERE I called Kentucky, San Jose, Tennessee, hoping to find someone to tell me something different, but they all said the same thing "We cant treat him without seeing him" and "Viagra is the only treatment" PH you will see the signs, he gets excited and just collapses, his tongue will turn blue from lack of oxygen, that is how you will know
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