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Old 03-10-2017, 01:49 PM
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@Bsyed, I know you said they did a fecal sample for parasites, but how many did they do? Some parasites don't show up in every sample submitted to the lab, they have to catch them when they are "shedding". Giardia is especially tricky to capture. Has your vet suggested an additional fecal, just to be sure? If not, I would recommend perhaps starting there. It's a relatively quick, inexpensive test to 100% confirm there is nothing in his gut. Going down the food elimination path is very time consuming and expensive and you may never be able to pinpoint a sensitivity if he has multiple "allergies".
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Why does she want him back on the Hill's when he does so poorly on it? I had a vet who pushed Hill's to the cows came home, in spite of my telling him my dog did not do well on it and had a chicken sensitivity, I learned to ignore the food advice from that vet and do what I though was best.

Have you tried putting him on very lean beef, or pork, and sweet potato, rather then the chicken and rice? The beef, or pork, and sweet potato is what I have to give my dog because chicken and rice make tummy upsets worse in him.

With all the antibiotics are you giving him probiotics to replace the good bacteria that is killed off by the antibiotics?
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I agree that boiled sweet potato can offer some relief. Or canned pure pumpkin (not the pie filling). When my dog had almost the exact problems your dog is having, he ate chicken and sweet potatoes. It helped bulk up his stools and they weren't as runny. My vet also pushed Hill's (the Z/d kind) and my dog refused to eat it. Unfortunately it was a year of trial and error and he finally settled down with Wellness Simple Lamb Recipe, with boiled sweet potato mixed in. Now, five years later, he can eat anything and he's fine. Sometimes pups experience these sorts of "growing pains" and it's absolutely exhausting trying to figure out what works. My final straw was when my vet tested for every parasite, had him on Pepcid, a probiotic, and Hill's, and my dog was passing bloody stools. I researched until I couldn't see straight and started following my gut instead of trying a millions medicines. I'm not saying don't follow your vet's instructions. Just also listen to what your pup is trying to convey. I wish you the best.
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Thank you all for your responses. It's greatly appreciated.

He is on probiotics but it doesn't seem to be helping. The most recent trial of metronidazole did not work. The vet switched him to pro-pectin (better anti-diarheal I guess) and put him back on 50/50 chicken and rice and hills I/D.

Day 1: morning stool was firm, almost perfect. Evening stool was 50/50 firm and mush.

Day 2: late morning stool was perfect! I was really excited about the progress. Late afternoon stool was very loose and liquidy. About 40 min after the liquid stool, he had another very loose stool that was yellow/transparent/mucous like. The second loose stool was low in quantity.

He is now on 100% chicken and rice with probiotics and pro-pectin. The vet will call me on Saturday for a follow up.

This is very frustrating. It feel like 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards.
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Hey everyone,

I have a 4.5 month old husky named Remy who I got when he was 2 months old. He has been fed Blue Wilderness dry/wet food since I have had him and has had normal stools up until about 2 weeks ago.

The diarrhea started two weeks ago. His stools started as half hard / half loose and by the third day were 100% loose. I switched him to a chicken/rice diet for a few days and things seemed to get better. A few days into the chicken and rice, I took him into the vet and she recommended I place him on a Royal Canin gastrointestinal diet for a few weeks. The first night of the royal canin diet, he had multiple terrible diarrhea episodes outside. It was brown and purple in color and smelled like his royal canin food. I called the vet the next day and we decided to put him back on chicken and rice and started him on a 10 day medication for his GI tract. She also did a Giardia and Fecal exam, both came back negative.

The plan for the bland diet was to keep him on chicken and rice for 4 days and then slowly introduce blue wilderness back in. She decided to keep him on Blue since I have had him on it for almost 2 months with no issues. Over the course of the 4 days, I fed him twice a day and cut back a bit on his serving size. By the third and fourth day of the bland diet, he had normal stools and things were looking promising. On day 5, he had three meals. I sprinkled some blue wilderness on top of his chicken and rice in the morning. My mother put Blue wilderness on top of his lunch and dinner (I am sure she gave him a heaping serving since she is a mom). She says she gave a little more blue wilderness with his dinner. Around 11pm he had a very loose stool. This morning he had a second loose stool.

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Hmmm. I think something's need to be figured out. I have a strong feeling that it has something to do with his diet.
If the test results are all normal, try to make a record of everything that you will feed him and note the consistency of the stool as well.
Maybe you'll be able to figure out the problem in that way.
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Thank you all for your responses. It's greatly appreciated.

He is on probiotics but it doesn't seem to be helping. The most recent trial of metronidazole did not work. The vet switched him to pro-pectin (better anti-diarheal I guess) and put him back on 50/50 chicken and rice and hills I/D.

Day 1: morning stool was firm, almost perfect. Evening stool was 50/50 firm and mush.

Day 2: late morning stool was perfect! I was really excited about the progress. Late afternoon stool was very loose and liquidy. About 40 min after the liquid stool, he had another very loose stool that was yellow/transparent/mucous like. The second loose stool was low in quantity.

He is now on 100% chicken and rice with probiotics and pro-pectin. The vet will call me on Saturday for a follow up.

This is very frustrating. It feel like 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards.
That is exactly what Zody does if I give him chicken. His morning stool will be fine, but as the day goes on they get looser and looser. I no longer give him any chicken, doesn't matter if it's chicken I cook, or chicken based food or treats, he does not get any of it, and his stools are now great.

It was almost 2 years ago that I learned that Zody could not have chicken. He had a bout of colitis and I was told to feed him the Hill's I/D food and was given the chicken formula to feed him. He didn't like it so I added some plain boiled chicken to it. Once we were finished his medicine he was still having very soft stool, so I switched to boiled chicken and rice hoping to settle his tummy, he still wasn't doing good, I added pumpkin in the hopes of firming things up but it didn't work. I then switched to beef and sweet potato, and that's when things started going better, after that I slowly added his kibble (no chicken in it) back into his diet, and he's been doing good since then.

TL;DR Try avoiding any and all chicken and see if he does better. It can't hurt, and might help like it did for my dog.
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That is exactly what Zody does if I give him chicken. His morning stool will be fine, but as the day goes on they get looser and looser. I no longer give him any chicken, doesn't matter if it's chicken I cook, or chicken based food or treats, he does not get any of it, and his stools are now great.

It was almost 2 years ago that I learned that Zody could not have chicken. He had a bout of colitis and I was told to feed him the Hill's I/D food and was given the chicken formula to feed him. He didn't like it so I added some plain boiled chicken to it. Once we were finished his medicine he was still having very soft stool, so I switched to boiled chicken and rice hoping to settle his tummy, he still wasn't doing good, I added pumpkin in the hopes of firming things up but it didn't work. I then switched to beef and sweet potato, and that's when things started going better, after that I slowly added his kibble (no chicken in it) back into his diet, and he's been doing good since then.

TL;DR Try avoiding any and all chicken and see if he does better. It can't hurt, and might help like it did for my dog.

Thank you! i never considered it could be a chicken sensitivity. I will cook some ground beef and rice today and give it to him tonight. Hopefully we see some relief!

The blue wilderness kibble i was feeding him originally was the chicken and turkey version. I fed him this the first month I had him (December). The second month i gave him the Blue wilderness red meat version. He seemed to enjoy the red meat more. During the second month, I also fed him chicken and turkey blue wilderness canned food a few times a week. I believe 3 weeks into the wet feed is when the loose stools started. Since then his diet has consisted of chicken on a daily basis and I have not seen sustained improvement. I'll try switching the protein to beef and hope for the best.

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Update.

Tried rice and ground beef instead of chicken and rice. He is still on pro-pectalin and probiotics at this time.

Day 1: The first day was good and Remy had solid stool all day, things were looking promising.

Day 2: Morning stool was half hard, half runny. Afternoon and evening stools were mush. For dinner i decided to start changing his protein again and i mixed in Wellness Core (seafood) with a lower quantity of rice and beef.

Day 3: Very runny stools. Remy had 7-8 episodes of diarrhea throughout the day, including once in his crate. Took him off Wellness Core. He is currently back on rice and beef and is starting a Hills Z/D cycle.
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Update.

Tried rice and ground beef instead of chicken and rice. He is still on pro-pectalin and probiotics at this time.

Day 1: The first day was good and Remy had solid stool all day, things were looking promising.

Day 2: Morning stool was half hard, half runny. Afternoon and evening stools were mush. For dinner i decided to start changing his protein again and i mixed in Wellness Core (seafood) with a lower quantity of rice and beef.

Day 3: Very runny stools. Remy had 7-8 episodes of diarrhea throughout the day, including once in his crate. Took him off Wellness Core. He is currently back on rice and beef and is starting a Hills Z/D cycle.
Hmm, I'd say the rice may be also causing him a problem and to take him off of it and use something like quinoa, or sweet potato, but I find it strange that he did great on the first day with the rice and beef and then got bad.

What may be going on now is that his stomach is upset with the constant food changes. You could try leaving him on the beef and rice for 3 to 4 days and see if everything settles down then, very slowly, start adding back in his kibble.

Has he been rechecked for things like Coccidia, Giardia? Has he ever been checked for colitis? All of those can cause diarrhea and can be tricky to diagnose. You may need to take him to a different vet and get a second opinion.

He's adorable by the way!
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the poor thing. you must feel so frustrated. big hugs to both of you while you search for a solution.
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