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Old 06-13-2015, 11:37 PM
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Raw and kibble should never be fed in the same meal. It will upset the stomach and can cause harmful bacteria to grow. Since you free feed I would give raw in the morning and wait at least 6 hours before offering kibble. The reason dogs are able to handle raw food without getting sick from samenella or e coli is because they have short intestates. The food does not sit in the digestive tract long enough for the bacteria to populate. The problem with feeding both in the same meal or to close together is that it takes about 5-6 hrs to digests raw while it takes about 11 hours to digest kibble. The kibble slows down the digestion process which causes the raw to sit in the stomach longer then it is ment to be..
This makes no sense to me...bacteria replicate on such tiny timescales that there would easily be plenty in 5-6 hours. If the raw food is human-grade meat, it generally shouldn't be contaminated with Salmonella and/or harmful strains of E. coli, and in addition, the carnivore stomach should be acidic enough to take care of bacteria in the meat. Is there a source for this info?

Otherwise, I'm interested in learning more about this as well. I just went and bought bunch of chicken necks and am eager for Grover to try them. I'm mostly planning to use them as treats/supplements in the hopes that they will help with his teeth. He does well on his kibble and I am not willing to give up my ability to use his entire meals as training treats, in order to feed raw.
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To be honest this is all information that I have been told by long time raw feeders on a boxer forum I'm apart of. I haven't fully converted to raw. Just the occasional marrow bone or knuckle bone. But every time I see this subject brought up everyone jump in to say how dangerous it could be. But no I haven't personally looked up hard evidence on the case since I'm not currently planning on switch to raw..I just wanted to throw it out there in case it would help someone
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Raw and kibble should never be fed in the same meal. It will upset the stomach and can cause harmful bacteria to grow. Since you free feed I would give raw in the morning and wait at least 6 hours before offering kibble. The reason dogs are able to handle raw food without getting sick from samenella or e coli is because they have short intestates. The food does not sit in the digestive tract long enough for the bacteria to populate. The problem with feeding both in the same meal or to close together is that it takes about 5-6 hrs to digests raw while it takes about 11 hours to digest kibble. The kibble slows down the digestion process which causes the raw to sit in the stomach longer then it is ment to be.
Actually, kibble digests faster because it's been cooked and processed. The risk of salmonella infection is the same regardless of whether you feed raw and kibble in the same meal.

Screenshots or it didn't happen: http://therawfeedingcommunity.com/20...ster-than-raw/
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Actually, kibble digests faster because it's been cooked and processed. The risk of salmonella infection is the same regardless of whether you feed raw and kibble in the same meal.

Screenshots or it didn't happen: DIGEST THIS: Kibble May Actually Digest Faster Than Raw | The Raw Feeding Community
Kibble digests SLOWER because it's been cooked and processed. All that cooking and processing causes artificial ingredients and supplements to have to be added which is unnatural to the dogs system. It has to work harder to try to digest all that processed junk. Therefore, it sits longer in the stomach. That in turn allows more time for any bacteria to congregate and cause problems.

Raw is natural to the dogs system, and it has an easy time digesting it. Therefore, raw zips right on through like it should. Nothing processed and synthetic for the body have to deal with. It doesn't just sit there for any time, giving bacteria a chance to build up. It keeps on moving.

Processeing and cooking is the problem with kibble to begin with.
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Thanks for asking all this Aspen726. I've been thinking about giving raw meaty bones for teeth cleaning and wasn't sure about all this either. My dog weighs 10 lbs, so I guess a chicken neck would be ok? And yeah, so some reason, this is hard to do for some of us people.😱. But I bet the dogs will love it....Lucky I read all this, because I probably would have given the bone right after his meal, thinking it would clean his teeth that way.
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Chicken necks are fine, so are chicken feet. And, another good one for small dogs if you can find them are raw frog legs. Easy to chew and digest as well.
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How long do your dogs take to eat a bone? Grover just crunched his first chicken neck down in ~10 minutes, which is much quicker than I expected. I know chicken necks are probably easier to crunch than other tougher bones, but it still seemed really fast!

Also, for those who started giving your dogs bones, how long did it take for you to notice an improvement in their teeth?
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10 minutes is pretty good. Thats about right for a smaller dog. Mine would have it done in one crunch. lol! You can try small turkey wings if you want. All of mine were young puppies starting out on raw, so they didn't have anything to clean off their teeth, but as long as you feed bone several times a week you should start to see an improvement within about a week. Give or take a couple days, depending on how bad the teeth are.
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Is it safe to feed raw bones to a puppy?
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Kibble digests SLOWER because it's been cooked and processed. All that cooking and processing causes artificial ingredients and supplements to have to be added which is unnatural to the dogs system. It has to work harder to try to digest all that processed junk. Therefore, it sits longer in the stomach. That in turn allows more time for any bacteria to congregate and cause problems.

Raw is natural to the dogs system, and it has an easy time digesting it. Therefore, raw zips right on through like it should. Nothing processed and synthetic for the body have to deal with. It doesn't just sit there for any time, giving bacteria a chance to build up. It keeps on moving.

Processeing and cooking is the problem with kibble to begin with.
Not sure what you mean by "processed and synthetic" in this context. Just because something has been processed doesn't automatically mean it's less digestible. In fact, it would be more logical for it to be more digestible, since the cooking process begins breaking down the larger molecules.

As far as I have been able to determine, gastric emptying is affected by water content, fat content, soluble vs. insoluble fiber content, and particle size. I'm sure there are some kibbles that digest slower in some dogs, but the pictures I posted above demonstrate that this is not always the case. There's no reason to worry about mixing raw and kibble. It certainly does not increase risk of bacterial infection.

If I'm misinformed about this, I'd be very interested to read the studies that say otherwise.
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