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Old 11-20-2016, 10:09 AM
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Let me be more emphatic, they're all but impossible to train for service tasks.

Antolian shepherd, Kuvasz, Pyrenees, and Akbash are live stock guardian breeds. They are working dogs who have been bred to do a specific job. That 1 job they can do with almost no training, every other job is swimming against the current.

Look here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligence_of_Dogs Service dogs almost always come from highest category of dog intelligence.
Any kind dog can be a service dog regardless of what it was bred to do, Esand. I understand the live stock guardian breeds will need a job to do and I intend to supply one. As I've said, I have seen multiples service dogs that are mixes of these breeds or are these breeds and I have heard nothing but them being average in training.
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It sounds like we're just telling you what you don't want to hear.

The most common service dogs I see are labs because they are intelligent, biddable, friendly, and have a relatively laid back temperament compared to other working breeds.

I also see various types of Shepherds- German, Belgian, Shiloh- as they are very intelligent and have great work ethic. They can be a handful though because they are pretty high energy and you have to be very careful about breeders- some shepherds can be nervous, overly sensitive, or neurotic. I've seen some Doberman Pinschers as service dogs as well, but again, you have to be careful about which breeder/line you choose.

I've also seen people using Goldens and Mastiffs.

I have no personal experience training LGDs but I've heard the same things others have mentioned that you might want to consider:
1) A lot of those breeds are rarer so they're going to be harder to find and more expensive.
2) As guard dogs they can be wary of, and even aggressive towards, strange people and animals.
3) They are more independent and less biddable than more typical service dog breeds like Labs and Shepherds.
But you should obviously talk to LGD owners and breeders about that- they'll definitely be more knowledgable than me.

I'm also curious about the sled dogs you're interested in. They're another group of dogs that's not known for being easy to train.
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Forgive me but you seem a tad defensive and I'm wondering why you came here to seek advice if you were not prepared for the answers. You seem to already know what you want so how can we help you?
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Any kind dog can be a service dog regardless of what it was bred to do, Esand. I understand the live stock guardian breeds will need a job to do and I intend to supply one. As I've said, I have seen multiples service dogs that are mixes of these breeds or are these breeds and I have heard nothing but them being average in training.
No, you're missing my point. Livestock guardian breeds already come with a job to do and do not easily take to doing other ones.

High drive dogs on the other have instinctive desires which are easy to apply to a new job making them highly trainable and reliable.

I'm not saying you can't train a Kuvasz to do something, conditioning is amazing and I've seen trained tigers and bears, but it will be 1000x harder than training a labrador. Why do you think almost all dogs employed as service animals, police / military dogs, etc are from a few breeds? It's not because of budget constraints.

It's not just about the initial training though, it's about reliability. A working dog that can't be counted on to do his or her job isn't a very good working dog and you can't get reliability if your training involves low priority motivators which is what you're reduced to with many of the dogs you've mentioned.

Echoing what @McCourt said, it seems like you want us to reaffirm what you already believe rather than asking for opinions. It's very strange that you don't want to tell us what job a service animal would need to perform. Some breeds are better suited to some tasks than others, in broad strokes though, a GSD is going to work for almost all of potential tasks and an Anatolian Shepherd almost none.
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I have a Karakachan and he's the most amenable dog I've ever come across. Several friends also have them and they all seem the same to me, very laid back, friendly to every human and animal they come across, and willing to do anything asked of them in order to achieve a peaceful life. I can't comment on the other breeds you mentioned as I don't know much about them.

Good luck in your quest for the right dog, let us know how you get on.
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I actually knew of someone who had a Pyrenees as a service dog, they were a regular at several places in town. I think it's the only one I've seen.

Keep in mind that giant breeds tend to have a shorter lifespan. It would be a shame to put in 2+ years of training and then not be able to reap the benefits for very long.
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Forgive me but you seem a tad defensive and I'm wondering why you came here to seek advice if you were not prepared for the answers. You seem to already know what you want so how can we help you?
I came here looking for someone to help me narrow down my search instead of criticize my choices. I blatanly said which dogs I favor and I'm tired of hearing a constant put down on that. If you are trying to be helpful then actually give me information instead of throwing your opinion out there instead of restating that four dog breeds are the typical ones. I have already said I don't like those ones and if you're going to be rude and unhelpful then you need to get out of my thread. I didn't come on here to be questioned by you, McCourt so please respect my privacy and don't speak to me unless you have helpful input.
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I have a Karakachan and he's the most amenable dog I've ever come across. Several friends also have them and they all seem the same to me, very laid back, friendly to every human and animal they come across, and willing to do anything asked of them in order to achieve a peaceful life. I can't comment on the other breeds you mentioned as I don't know much about them.

Good luck in your quest for the right dog, let us know how you get on.
Thank you so much for your input
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It sounds like we're just telling you what you don't want to hear.

The most common service dogs I see are labs because they are intelligent, biddable, friendly, and have a relatively laid back temperament compared to other working breeds.

I also see various types of Shepherds- German, Belgian, Shiloh- as they are very intelligent and have great work ethic. They can be a handful though because they are pretty high energy and you have to be very careful about breeders- some shepherds can be nervous, overly sensitive, or neurotic. I've seen some Doberman Pinschers as service dogs as well, but again, you have to be careful about which breeder/line you choose.

I've also seen people using Goldens and Mastiffs.

I have no personal experience training LGDs but I've heard the same things others have mentioned that you might want to consider:
1) A lot of those breeds are rarer so they're going to be harder to find and more expensive.
2) As guard dogs they can be wary of, and even aggressive towards, strange people and animals.
3) They are more independent and less biddable than more typical service dog breeds like Labs and Shepherds.
But you should obviously talk to LGD owners and breeders about that- they'll definitely be more knowledgable than me.

I'm also curious about the sled dogs you're interested in. They're another group of dogs that's not known for being easy to train.
I appreciate your help and I don't really care about the ease of training, I need them to be a specific size and temperament as well as fitting my personal preference for appearance. One reason I'm inclined to some of these dogs are their imposing size and the fact that they are meant as guard dogs so they are more likely to alert me to a problem around me. My PTSD calls for a more imposing dog.
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Old 11-21-2016, 02:34 AM
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No, you're missing my point. Livestock guardian breeds already come with a job to do and do not easily take to doing other ones.

High drive dogs on the other have instinctive desires which are easy to apply to a new job making them highly trainable and reliable.

I'm not saying you can't train a Kuvasz to do something, conditioning is amazing and I've seen trained tigers and bears, but it will be 1000x harder than training a labrador. Why do you think almost all dogs employed as service animals, police / military dogs, etc are from a few breeds? It's not because of budget constraints.

It's not just about the initial training though, it's about reliability. A working dog that can't be counted on to do his or her job isn't a very good working dog and you can't get reliability if your training involves low priority motivators which is what you're reduced to with many of the dogs you've mentioned.

Echoing what @McCourt said, it seems like you want us to reaffirm what you already believe rather than asking for opinions. It's very strange that you don't want to tell us what job a service animal would need to perform. Some breeds are better suited to some tasks than others, in broad strokes though, a GSD is going to work for almost all of potential tasks and an Anatolian Shepherd almost none.

I've already stated that I don't want the dogs you are naming. If you think I'm not looking for answers then just stop responding to this. You're being rude and I don't need this when there are people that are actually useful to me in this scenario. I've already said what kinds of dogs I want and don't want and I have already said I am committed to whatever is needed to work with an Anatolian, Kuvasz or whatever and you repeatedly use that against me regardless.

I'm not stating what task they are going to perform because 1. That's none of your business 2. Bringing them up can cause issues that I don't need you making worse. 3. Because it's not a vital part of this and it doesn't need to be brought up.


If you have nothing else to say other than what you've stated over and over again please leave this thread alone and leave me alone. I didn't come here to be insulted by people, I came here for help from people who actually know what they are talking about.
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