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Old 06-26-2014, 09:26 PM
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What does a "working" dog mean to you?

There seem to be so many different interpretations of the term "working" dog or "working bred". Just curious to see how everyone views those terms and to YOU, what qualifies a dog as working stock?
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I consider working dogs to be dogs with jobs. Service dogs, police dogs, herders, cow dogs, and guard dogs.
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I include hunting dogs in that category. Mine is pretty much like AllieD's list. I'd add SAR dogs too.
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What about "working bred"? Would you consider that to mean dogs off those working dogs?
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Working bred: bloodlines majority made up of workers doing their original job
Working dog: a dog with a job of its original purpose (eta: or modified purpose for a job in society, ie service, therapy police, sar, rescue, etc)

I don't know if I'd put sport dogs in "working dogs," but they certainly work and have jobs so...? I definitely consider them "sport dogs" (and not in a belittling way as less than "working"). "Sporting bred"--majority bloodline, recently at least, bred for sport. I guess by sport I mean things like agility, flyball, disc dog, etc. I don't know if I'd put rally/obedience/etc into sport, working, or ???

In upland, I consider a "trial dog" a dog that competes a lot in hunt tests or trials, even if he's used for actual hunting during the season.
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Not all working dogs are working bred, and not all working bred dogs work well or at all.

Working bred dogs? It's all about function, not conformation. When a dog is bred for what it does rather than how it looks, and the dogs actually go out and do those things, and do them well, and that's how they earn the right to be bred... that's an ideal working dog. People who have a need for working dogs have to have some sort of reliable way to get dogs that are suitable for said work, and breeding proven dogs to proven dogs is a very good way to stack the deck in their favour, especially if said breedings produce pups who are also proven workers.

The work shapes the dog. It's why working border collies are such a mixed bag in the looks department but still have a basic type, but show border collies all look like the same dog and are losing their instinct along with their individuality. It's why working bred hunting dogs are longer-legged and lighter bodied than show dogs. It's why working Jack Russells are small enough to go to ground, and why the show world had to invent Parson Russells so that the breeders could do something with the bigger and bigger dogs they were ending up with by breeding for looks alone. Don't even get me started on German Shepherds.

For me, a working dog is a dog with a job, with a job being a complicated skill set that a dog has had to learn and performs with a high rate of success.
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My experience for the last 28 years has been LE dogs. Patrol, narc and explosive detection dogs. Obviously this would include tracking and anything related to the LE field. I just train explosive detection dogs at this point. But I'm well aware that there are many types of disciplines in the "working dog" field. I'm still amazed after all these years with some things I see in the dog world.
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A working dog is a dog that does a job that is necessary that a human cannot do. Something that helps with the human's livelihood or independence. Ie: Hunting dog, Service dog, police dog, herder working on a real farm, etc.

Working bred would be a dog from a lineage that is bred for a specific task.
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I include hunting dogs, too. Working line goldens are really different from show goldens. Working Bassett hounds don't look like the same breed as show bassets. Working hounds are often mixes of various hounds that performed especially well, were exceptionally healthy and had perfect temperaments.

Oh, and sled dogs. Working sled dogs don't look like the show lines. The show lines have chests that are far too deep for endurance.
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Context of the conversation is important.

Generally if someone says a working dog without elaborating on what breed of dog, I assume they mean police, guard, protection, SAR dog. I.E. modern working dog.

I only assume working means herding or hunting or sled pulling if the speaker/author stats either the breed they are talking about and that breed is closely associated with a certain task ("we raise working border collies" = herding) or if they say their profession/hobby ("I'm a rancher, every dog we have is a working dog" = herding)

Work that I recognize as 'dog work' but I don't associate with the term Working dog: Service Dog & Flock Guardian who is actually living with a herd. In those specific types of work, people always use the name of the task they do rather than the catch-all 'working'
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