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Old 02-04-2011, 04:25 PM
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I have a litter of mals due 1st week of march. They are definately working dogs, that need way more than just physical exercise. I would not reccommend you buy a dog trained already, for dual purpose. These dogs are not pets, and are wound up non stop. As far as protection mals are perfect, but some take the biting too far, you really have to be very careful with these dogs.
ETA- look at many mals before deciding on this breed. Living with one does not give a good look at the breed. I have 3 now, all different as night and day, and work with around 20. The majority of these dogs would be given up by a 'normal' dog owner.

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Okay, I think you guys misunderstood me... When I said I wasn't that interested in bite work, I meant I don't need a dog already trained to bite. If I do get a dog trained to bite, I will be taking regular training classes to work on it.
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If you're not interested in bitework, then you need to have "just a dog" and not a dog that is protection trained. You cannot expect a dog to just up and protect you without maintenance training. This means finding a GOOD and REPUTABLE trainer and committing to training at least once a week, if not more.

I wouldn't trust any of those puppyfind sites
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If you're not interested in bitework, then you need to have "just a dog" and not a dog that is protection trained. You cannot expect a dog to just up and protect you without maintenance training. This means finding a GOOD and REPUTABLE trainer and committing to training at least once a week, if not more.

I wouldn't trust any of those puppyfind sites
And I'm saying I don't need a dog to 'protect' me... I just want a really well-trained dog that will show aggression on command. Basically, a protection dog without the bite. Although I'm not opposed to one trained in bite work, as long as it's the right price.

I already said I was going to take him to a trainer for maintenance training... I don't understand why people keep informing me that it's necessary.
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I just want a really well-trained dog that will show aggression on command.
You can train any dog to bare his teeth, no aggression necessary. A dog that has the aggression WILL be trained in bite work. A dog that shows aggression and ISN'T trained in bite work...well, that's not a dog I'd want to own.

I know of zero reputable breeders/places that would train a dog to "show aggression", but not work the dog in bite work (how do you think the aggression is brought out?).
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You can train any dog to bare his teeth, no aggression necessary. A dog that has the aggression WILL be trained in bite work. A dog that shows aggression and ISN'T trained in bite work...well, that's not a dog I'd want to own.

I know of zero reputable breeders/places that would train a dog to "show aggression", but not work the dog in bite work (how do you think the aggression is brought out?).
Okay, I didn't know that... But like I said, I'm not opposed to a dog trained in bite work.
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If you want a mal to show aggresion, you really need to teach the bite, especially the out. Mals tend to decide on their own when to react. From working lines, they snap and nip just when expecting a bite. This is a huge game for a mal, they live to work. I trainer once explained it-- "A bad a** GSD is like a ford pick up, a malinois like a ferrari. Learn to drive and work up"
The sleeve work is what most bite work is trained on, almost all mals will go staright to an arm with no hesitation, though some GSDs will not. You can't do bites on a live arm, lol at least not for long.

I LOVE this breed and won't own another. I just want you to know what you will get into. A dual purpose dog is trained in narcotic work as well, meaning he is complete OCD about a ball or whatever reward he gets. If you start with a young pup, raised and trained correctly, you will have better results. Even my 7 month old pup will latch on to anyone who acts aggressively towards me. Without a word. Mals bite first, ask questions later. And she is not aggressive in anyway. A dog that shows aggression will be a fear biter if not properly trained, usually for years to develop proper handle and courage. All it takes is one wrong move by a decoy to hurt or scare a dog, and you have the malinois instinct, with fear, huge disaster.
Do you have a PD close by that works mals or dutch shepherds? Maybe a schutzhund club?

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Yeah....with GSDs it's:
If you walk up to a GSD and then trip over it, it should do nothing. If you walk up to a GSD and you kick it, it should bite you.

The Mal is going to bite you (or at least try) regardless of whether you tripped or kicked it. In the mind of the Mal, they're the same
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If you want a mal to show aggresion, you really need to teach the bite, especially the out. Mals tend to decide on their own when to react. From working lines, they snap and nip just when expecting a bite. This is a huge game for a mal, they live to work. I trainer once explained it-- "A bad a** GSD is like a ford pick up, a malinois like a ferrari. Learn to drive and work up"
The sleeve work is what most bite work is trained on, almost all mals will go staright to an arm with no hesitation, though some GSDs will not. You can't do bites on a live arm, lol at least not for long.

I LOVE this breed and won't own another. I just want you to know what you will get into. A dual purpose dog is trained in narcotic work as well, meaning he is complete OCD about a ball or whatever reward he gets. If you start with a young pup, raised and trained correctly, you will have better results. Even my 7 month old pup will latch on to anyone who acts aggressively towards me. Without a word. Mals bite first, ask questions later. And she is not aggressive in anyway. A dog that shows aggression will be a fear biter if not properly trained, usually for years to develop proper handle and courage. All it takes is one wrong move by a decoy to hurt or scare a dog, and you have the malinois instinct, with fear, huge disaster.
Do you have a PD close by that works mals or dutch shepherds? Maybe a schutzhund club?
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Yeah....with GSDs it's:
If you walk up to a GSD and then trip over it, it should do nothing. If you walk up to a GSD and you kick it, it should bite you.

The Mal is going to bite you (or at least try) regardless of whether you tripped or kicked it. In the mind of the Mal, they're the same

But shouldn't a well-trained dog know the difference, regardless of the breed? I lived with this malinois (he was French ring-trained) and I never saw him bite anybody without being instructed to. I saw people step on his feet and trip over him and he didn't do anything. My horse even kicked him, and again... nothing.

I'm well-aware of the ball OCD. The malinois I lived with was the same way. The decoys said he had the strongest bite they'd ever felt in any dog of any breed because of all the incessant chewing he does.

There are several protection/ring/schutzhund trainers and clubs in my area.

This one is 10 minutes away:
Tampa Puppy Palace

These two are 40 minutes away:
Protection Dogs Only! Personal Protection Dog for sale
Welcome to Tampa Working Dog Club Tampa Working Dog Club

This one is an hour away: (this is where my friend took her dog)
You don't have to run a maze to locate . . . Professional Dog Training & Boarding with a "Distinct European Flavor"

These two are an hour and a half away:
Guard Dogs For Sale - Protection Dogs | Global K9 Group
ruffhaus kennels - qualified police dogs, protection, K-9 florida
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Mals bite first, ask questions later.

maligator! lol




I dunno, just seems like a ton of work and liability when you'd be better applying for concealed carry since you want protection, not a sport dog.


my understanding of mals is they bite first and ask questions later...in fact I think there is a thread on this forum of som'ones mal biting them after accidently waking them.
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