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Old 02-04-2011, 01:31 PM
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What do you think of this dog as a protection dog?

Belgian Malinois Police Dual Purpose For Sale | St. Johnsville New York United States of America

Videos of him here, just scroll through and look for 'Shadow': YouTube - K9Classifieds's Channel



I'm not that interested in bite work... I just want a really well-trained dog that will show aggression on command and might naturally defend me if I were truly attacked despite the show of aggression (although I seriously doubt that will happen).

Any idea why he's so cheap? Is it because he's so young?

What are some questions I should ask before I commit?
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Belgian Malinois Police Dual Purpose For Sale | St. Johnsville New York United States of America

Videos of him here, just scroll through and look for 'Shadow': YouTube - K9Classifieds's Channel



I'm not that interested in bite work... I just want a really well-trained dog that will show aggression on command and might naturally defend me if I were truly attacked despite the show of aggression (although I seriously doubt that will happen).

Any idea why he's so cheap? Is it because he's so young?

What are some questions I should ask before I commit?
I don't know much about that kennel. Here is the one that I like alot. They also have a lot of information about the dogs and what they do.

PuppyFind.com - Outside Link

I really like there Dogo, Brokas.
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have you owned a mal before? they are ALOT of dog. What do you plan on doing with him? If your not going to continue with ringsport or bitework, what are you going to do to fullfill that drive every day? It would be hard to take such a drivey dog and convert it to a housepet...


personally, if I was just looking for protection, not a prospect, I'd save the $5000, go rescue a big black scary looking dog, and buy a can of pepper spray and be done with it.
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have you owned a mal before? they are ALOT of dog. What do you plan on doing with him? If your not going to continue with ringsport or bitework, what are you going to do to fullfill that drive every day? It would be hard to take such a drivey dog and convert it to a housepet...


personally, if I was just looking for protection, not a prospect, I'd save the $5000, go rescue a big black scary looking dog, and buy a can of pepper spray and be done with it.

Oh very true. Thoughs kinds of dogs are NOT house pets. Even if they are full "trained" there training is never really done. They must have new and exciting callenges all the time. They love to work and work they sha'll do.
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I just watched the video. The vid is a GSD not a mal. Its also a female not male.
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so I watched all the videos of shadow, and unless their old or incomplete, IMO this dog isn't anywhere near done with its training...noticed there are no commands given at all? The videos all start with the dog barking hysterically while being restrained, which is a drive building exercise, nothing more, and then they just LET HIM GO and he bites the sleeve....there is no off leash work, no impulse control, no attack command, no OUT (very important) and no recall, no heel, I could go on and on...

all those videos show is the dog will bark at som'one and if you drop the leash, bite a bite sleeve (keep in mind the dog has learned to bite a SLEEVE not a person, people in the real world will not have one, and without training the dog may not understand to bite anyway)...also if you watch, the dogs ears are BACK the whole time...and the bark is really high pitched, the dog seems , either afraid or nervous IMO on som' level...

If I was buying such a dog, I'd want a SOLID, i mean SOLID everything. This dogs training is no where near done if these videos are the scope of what he knows.

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Just some thing else I want to add. For these kinds of Dogs a plain fence isnt going to cut it. Insurance is anouther thing to think about.

I have a friend that has several shutzhund dogs. She lives alone in the geto. She had to have a 10 foot chain link fence put up around her yard as well as the kennels. 3 foot into the gorund of that fence is concret.
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I just watched the video. The vid is a GSD not a mal. Its also a female not male.

it threw me for a second also, the OP linked to the channel, not the actual videos.

heres one of shadow, they are all the same thing, just in different places, just a restrained dog they let bite a sleeve by dropping the leash.

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it threw me for a second also, the OP linked to the channel, not the actual videos.

heres one of shadow, they are all the same thing, just in different places, just a restrained dog they let bite a sleeve by dropping the leash.

YouTube - Police Dog For Sale - Shadow protection hard grip4.mpg
oh ok. I also watched some of the other vids of him now that I know where they are. :P

I agree this is not a dog I would choose to have as PPD. Take a look at the link I sent you. There are some videos and pics on there. I like the way there dogs are trained. If you want I'm sure they would be happy to send you a video of a spacific dog.
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Cool, thanks for all the replies!



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I don't know much about that kennel. Here is the one that I like alot. They also have a lot of information about the dogs and what they do.

PuppyFind.com - Outside Link

I really like there Dogo, Brokas.
Wow, thanks for that site! I found a couple that look great:

Belgian Malinois Puppies for Sale: Ace

Mate: PuppyFind.com - Outside Link



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have you owned a mal before? they are ALOT of dog. What do you plan on doing with him? If your not going to continue with ringsport or bitework, what are you going to do to fullfill that drive every day? It would be hard to take such a drivey dog and convert it to a housepet...

personally, if I was just looking for protection, not a prospect, I'd save the $5000, go rescue a big black scary looking dog, and buy a can of pepper spray and be done with it.
I know what I'm getting into : )

My best friend and her mom had a malinois for several years... I lived with them for about a year and had extensive experience with him.

I plan on taking continued training classes with the dog. I won't just let him sit. He'll get a lot of exercise, as I ride my horse for miles almost every day and plan on taking him with me. I also have two other dogs that I take to the dog park and on walks every day.

I just rescued a pretty scary-looking dog, but I don't feel that safe with him. He's too friendly with strangers, and I seriously doubt he would do anything to protect me.



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so I watched all the videos of shadow, and unless their old or incomplete, IMO this dog isn't anywhere near done with its training...noticed there are no commands given at all? The videos all start with the dog barking hysterically while being restrained, which is a drive building exercise, nothing more, and then they just LET HIM GO and he bites the sleeve....there is no off leash work, no impulse control, no attack command, no OUT (very important) and no recall, no heel, I could go on and on...

all those videos show is the dog will bark at som'one and if you drop the leash, bite a bite sleeve (keep in mind the dog has learned to bite a SLEEVE not a person, people in the real world will not have one, and without training the dog may not understand to bite anyway)...also if you watch, the dogs ears are BACK the whole time...and the bark is really high pitched, the dog seems , either afraid or nervous IMO on som' level...

If I was buying such a dog, I'd want a SOLID, i mean SOLID everything. This dogs training is no where near done if these videos are the scope of what he knows.
Okay, I will keep looking then. Thanks for your input : )



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it threw me for a second also, the OP linked to the channel, not the actual videos.

heres one of shadow, they are all the same thing, just in different places, just a restrained dog they let bite a sleeve by dropping the leash.

YouTube - Police Dog For Sale - Shadow protection hard grip4.mpg
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oh ok. I also watched some of the other vids of him now that I know where they are. :P

I agree this is not a dog I would choose to have as PPD. Take a look at the link I sent you. There are some videos and pics on there. I like the way there dogs are trained. If you want I'm sure they would be happy to send you a video of a spacific dog.
Yeah, I thought it'd be easier to link the channel because there were so many videos. There are two videos, though, of him doing off-leash obedience work.



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