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Old 02-07-2012, 05:10 PM
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Service Dog Training Help

Hello, Id like to start by saying I apologize if this is not the correct space for this thread. I was not sure if this would go here in Working dogs area or training... (it mentioned general training so I was not sure).
Second, this would be my first service dog and he currently is doing so well on training. Now its time for the main area, alerting and disrupting the problem. Im choosing the train yourself option because of financial issues, and I happened to be gifted with an amazing animal already. He is a 4 year old Dogo Argentino Mix.



He works great with just his headcollar, or harness, or backpack. Here, I have teamed up all three for a walking trip. Its great that he has a backpack, I recommend to all people that require a dog or even just take their pets walking. He carries a bottle of water, and my medications everytime we go out. He shows very great potential and is very attentive. He disrupts sleep apnea problems on his own (which is what started the idea for him). Now comes the part for actual true tasks.

Currently, when I get lightheaded or anything which causes me to loose ballance he naturally braces me. Leaning up against me just enough to regain balance. If I do fall I can grab his collar/harness or the extra skin on his neck to help get back up. If I randomly zone out and pause my breath, stopping breathing, he will lick my hand or cheek to "snap" me back to reality to breath again.

Im wanting to get my own place soon within a few months, and with him by my side would help alot. (questions about getting him "certified" or written by doctor later.

I have a few things I would like to know appropriate responses for him to do. Like I am hypoglycemic, bipolar, severe depressant, have panic disorder, and seizures on occasion. My dogs mother would occasionally bark during a seizure when it first started and bring me out of it. (she is now 13 and a bit old to be used as a full time service dog).

I also have noticed that, despite my wishes, sometimes when a place is too crowded sometimes he will lead me slightly away from the excitement area. most often to a bench or other place to rest, allowing me to calm a bit before he will allow to go on further. This was first noticed while going hiking, and he continues to do it be it at a dog park, or hiking/swimming trips. Crowded Outdoor flea markets, etc. He also has been in several stores, to which family or friends own, and behaves as expected. Always quiet, very attentive, not nosy, stays by my side even when let off leash unless told otherwise (I.E. Go lay down over there *point* or throw this in trash *hand object, point to trash can*).

He is already very useful to me as it is. But I would like to train him to be so even more helping with the problems listed. But what would be the appropriate response to such? I would ask the local dog trainers near me but they have only worked on blind dogs and none with a PSD/Medical Alert.



Now on to my next area of question. Because the doctor I normally saw was a childrens doctor and me now being 21 I need to find a new doctor. I am nervous about going. How do I bring up having a PSD to the new doctor? When I meet new people I tend to stammer and get really nervous and forgetful. I will not be bringing my dog with me to this appointment because he isnt a complete trained dog yet, but is on his way. One of the places I am looking into moving to requires a written note from a doctor or papers stating the dog to be a working animal and not just a pet. He is obviously already really well trained, excluding major tasks which he still needs to learn, and already has passed CGC with flying colors and has tags stating such, which is required of bully looking breeds at another place I am looking at. But the papers would still be useful to keep on hand just in case.
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As long as your dog can perform at least two real tasks, you should be fine getting a note. It does sound like you legitimately need him and he really does help you. As far as bringing it up to your doctor, would it be easier if you wrote it down or emailed him?

If you need pointers on training certain tasks, I can help you with that, but I'd need to know what you want trained. Sounds like you've already done alot of work with him already.
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Thanks for the reply!
My major concerns at this time are the panic attacks, and hypoglycemia.
I have tried research online, but nothing really comes up other than the fact dogs can be taught to learn to react to these. But I cant find how?

Also, what would be the best method of teaching him? The things he does currently he taught himself, things he has just always done. He is very easy to train once he figures out what you want. He also is not high on food drive, like most dogs are, But a good scratch on the head works great for him.

The only other thing I can think of that he may have a problem with, is he does like to sniff things. He mainly does this at pet stores, which I believe is because he is curious about who all has been there, but obviously this is a bad thing when going out in public. He doesnt steal food off the floor or anything, he just sometimes likes to sniff. How do I break this habit?
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The sniffing is possibly a displacement behavior. Animals displace when they are overwhelmed or over stimulated (this can be subtle, I had a dog that would do this as soon as she was outside). If the dog is sniffing, can you break focus and get a command without asking twice? If so its prob just curiousity. If not, hes overwhelmed

What do you need the dog to do during those episodes? Honestly many "alert" type behaviors ( "hey your sugar is low, I bark" etc) involve having the dog train with an individual that has the issue more frequently. If this is som'thing you only have issue with rarely, the dog will need to go live with som'one that it happens often with, because they need repetition to learn the behavior.

Panic attacks may be easier, since the dog isnt just relying on olfaction to detect a scent. One can certainly "recreate" a panic attack to an extent and train from there.
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Most times I can break his attention by making a quick "shht!" sound. and his focus goes back immediately on me. Or I can start walking and he will continue with what we we're doing. He never does this in public stores, like my mom's hair salon or anything. He mainly does it (that I have noticed/he has been around) is in the pet stores. We have 3 near us, a petsmart, a petco, and a family owned store petcare warehouse that isnt as busy. He does this at the two larger stores, and only in the rodent section at the 3rd.

I do pretty good at keeping my levels where they should be, but sometimes they do get low. Not too terribly often.

As for the panic attacks, I have never faked one, but I could possibly try, or even get my fiance to mimic what I do and train him like that. How would we go about that then?
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Well, once again, Id need to know what you want the dog to DO during an episode

Are you using clicker training or traditional? Is the ssssht sound used as a punishment (like cesar milan would use it) or like an interuption? Do you use corrections or "no"?

The short answer however is its just a cue transfer. You train the behavior you want, put it on cue, then you hange the cue to the "episode". Are you familiar with how to transfer cues? For example if your dog sits when you say sit would you know how to make it so he sits when you say "peanut butter" or show him an object?

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I LOVE books! Especially ones I can find online and quickly bookmark when needed.
I am not terribly fond of The Dog Whisperer. I dont agree with some of his methods. I use the sound as an interruption. Something quick, easy, and low so he knows Hey! Look at me! He is mostly verbally command, though knows some signals. And he knows the same command, say, Sit, in english, spanish, german, french, and by signals. If thats what you mean by transferring. We had to teach him the command in one language, then repeat the command with a signal and use a second language. At least this is how me and a few of my friends did it. We mostly just did it for fun and because he enjoys learning.

As for a response, pressure works for me most times. I read somewhere its called deep pressure therapy where the dog will lay across the handlers chest or draping top off of the dogs body against the handlers stomach and leaning head on their chest. And/or licking their face. I am thinking this may possibly work. I know that someone had mentioned where I read this that their dog sometimes had problems getting off when needed. I dont believe I would have this problem seeing as Riley's first commands where "no" "leave it" and "off". And he performs the off command instantly no matter where he is. He also does not confuse "down" with off, as when training we were careful to keep those two separate.
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Here is a link to the Diabetic Alert Dog Website. I am pretty sure you can train the same way for hypoglycemia. Diabetic Alert Dog forum Here is the specific link to the scent training part: http://www.diabeticalertdog.com/forum/list.php?6

I hope that helps.
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Thanks! Every little bit helps!
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Hello, Id like to start by saying I apologize if this is not the correct space for this thread. I was not sure if this would go here in Working dogs area or training... (it mentioned general training so I was not sure).
Second, this would be my first service dog and he currently is doing so well on training. Now its time for the main area, alerting and disrupting the problem. Im choosing the train yourself option because of financial issues, and I happened to be gifted with an amazing animal already. He is a 4 year old Dogo Argentino Mix.



He works great with just his headcollar, or harness, or backpack. Here, I have teamed up all three for a walking trip. Its great that he has a backpack, I recommend to all people that require a dog or even just take their pets walking. He carries a bottle of water, and my medications everytime we go out. He shows very great potential and is very attentive. He disrupts sleep apnea problems on his own (which is what started the idea for him). Now comes the part for actual true tasks.

Currently, when I get lightheaded or anything which causes me to loose ballance he naturally braces me. Leaning up against me just enough to regain balance. If I do fall I can grab his collar/harness or the extra skin on his neck to help get back up. If I randomly zone out and pause my breath, stopping breathing, he will lick my hand or cheek to "snap" me back to reality to breath again.

Im wanting to get my own place soon within a few months, and with him by my side would help alot. (questions about getting him "certified" or written by doctor later.

I have a few things I would like to know appropriate responses for him to do. Like I am hypoglycemic, bipolar, severe depressant, have panic disorder, and seizures on occasion. My dogs mother would occasionally bark during a seizure when it first started and bring me out of it. (she is now 13 and a bit old to be used as a full time service dog).

I also have noticed that, despite my wishes, sometimes when a place is too crowded sometimes he will lead me slightly away from the excitement area. most often to a bench or other place to rest, allowing me to calm a bit before he will allow to go on further. This was first noticed while going hiking, and he continues to do it be it at a dog park, or hiking/swimming trips. Crowded Outdoor flea markets, etc. He also has been in several stores, to which family or friends own, and behaves as expected. Always quiet, very attentive, not nosy, stays by my side even when let off leash unless told otherwise (I.E. Go lay down over there *point* or throw this in trash *hand object, point to trash can*).

He is already very useful to me as it is. But I would like to train him to be so even more helping with the problems listed. But what would be the appropriate response to such? I would ask the local dog trainers near me but they have only worked on blind dogs and none with a PSD/Medical Alert.



Now on to my next area of question. Because the doctor I normally saw was a childrens doctor and me now being 21 I need to find a new doctor. I am nervous about going. How do I bring up having a PSD to the new doctor? When I meet new people I tend to stammer and get really nervous and forgetful. I will not be bringing my dog with me to this appointment because he isnt a complete trained dog yet, but is on his way. One of the places I am looking into moving to requires a written note from a doctor or papers stating the dog to be a working animal and not just a pet. He is obviously already really well trained, excluding major tasks which he still needs to learn, and already has passed CGC with flying colors and has tags stating such, which is required of bully looking breeds at another place I am looking at. But the papers would still be useful to keep on hand just in case.
If a doctor get nervous when you tell them you have PSD that is a sign you need to find another doctor. Could the doctor you where seeing give you some names of doctors that you could go to? I only have one concern about your dog ,it is the breed , in my state ,Massachusetts their is a ban on pitbulls and dogs that look like one. Will this be a problem for you?
I had a hearing dog that was a black Standard Poodle, and some people where really afraid of him as he was a black dog. My hearing dog had to pee and poop on demand to past his test as a working dog.
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