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Old 12-06-2012, 07:31 PM
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I'm done here. We agree to disagree.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:48 PM
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Huh... "Dog people" are competitive. So I'm not a "dog person" then. Even though my career is based COMPLETELY around dogs and I live with 3 Danes.... But I'm no dog person....
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:58 PM
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Huh... "Dog people" are competitive. So I'm not a "dog person" then. Even though my career is based COMPLETELY around dogs and I live with 3 Danes.... But I'm no dog person....
OMG! Do you just want to fight with me??? Why??? Why are you people twisting my words like this? When did I say you were not a dog person??? Dear Lord!

GreatDaneMom, I'll just be blunt. As soon as you took a Great Dane onto most Sch fields, you'd be the laughingstock of the place. Sch people can be incredibly arrogant and snarky. They go off the richtor scale when it comes to competitiveness. I didn't want to say it the way I just did before, but you two just keep coming after me for a reason I do not understand.

How many times do you wish for me to repeat that I think it is terrific to find outlets that make us and our dogs happy AND that I wish you both the greatest of happiness and success in whatever you do. (?) Is that good enough for you yet?
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:14 PM
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Hi guys,

I think there may have been a miscommunication here.

GreatDaneMom said she is interested in simply giving her dog the experience and sharing it with him, and was understandably insulted when the evaluator dismissed the prospect of Link having any success and told her she should find a different dog to do it with.

I think you're right, subado, that the evaluator GreatDaneMom spoke to was likely thinking of things from a competitive perspective and perhaps thought he would save time and aggravation for all involved by bringing his opinion of the unfitness of Link's breed to her attention. He obviously didn't know or didn't care about GreatDaneMom's intention/motivation, which is arguably insensitive.

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Why do some feel some need to bust into a sport with a dog ill-suited for that sport? Instead of becoming indignent, why not simply put your dog in a sport that is better suited to your dog?? Or get a dog that has a decent chance in that sport?
I think the conflict in this thread, if we can call it that, may have resulted from the suggestion that dogs that don't traditionally excel in certain sports should not participate in those sports, and/or that people should simply get different dogs to participate in them with. It seems to dismiss the possibility that somebody is more interested in the sport for the dog's sake than the sport's. Like GreatDaneMom's conversation with the evaluator, this sounds to me like somebody looking at things from a competitive perspective not seeing eye to eye with someone who just wants to share the experience with their dog.

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I personally think it is perfectly cool to put any breed in any sport. I like the owner's initiative to try against the odds, so to speak...
That said, subado also said that he thinks dog owners should put their dogs in whatever sport they want to, so it appears to me that perhaps he was trying to be supportive while at the same time trying to explain the evaluator's point of view.

In any event, let's do as AmandaNola suggested and agree to disagree here, if there's even been a disagreement.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:35 PM
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Somethings I think I'm of a rare breed of person who does sports with my dogs because it's fun and they have fun doing it.

There's no reason why there should be any other requirements to start a sport than that, whether some people like it or not.

This is pretty much exactly the reason why I stick to sports/classes where only the individual dogs matter and not how they compare to the other dogs.
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Thank you, Admin, you are completely spot-on. My "intentions" were never negative nor judgmental in the least towards anyone's dog. If anything, the goal was to steer away from a potentially negative, hurtful experience or at least be open about how those in the sport may respond.

In a perfect world, we could do anything we wished to do and the humans would be kind and supportive. I sure wish we lived in a perfect world. Humans are a lot nastier than dogs, I think.

I'll leave this alone now, as it has run its course, but my true bottom line is that whatever you want to do with your dog? Do it!!!! Have fun!!!! If both you and your dog enjoy it, if you bond through it? AWESOME!!! Find the right club to support what you are doing, find the right human support base to encourage you to continue and hey, you have it made.

Best of luck to all of you in whatever you do. I'm out.
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Well to lighten things up.... My shih Tzu will work a bite sleeve full dutch commands and all lol! I keep saying I'm going to find an ankle sleeve for her. She bites hard for a little dog. Of course she bullies the mals around
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One of my personal favorite videos. RIP Mr Murphy.

I also know a lady on my Pit forum that is into weight pull with her APBT. She was fostering a Chinese Crested that needed exercise and training, so she trained him to pull. Had him a special lil harness made and everything. I believe he was up to pulling 500 lbs and took a win for dog size vs weight pulled before he was finally adopted.

Sure, dog breeds were created a certain way and tend to excel at certain sports, but I think it's fun to train individuals of any breed in any sport they would enjoy.

I sympathize with you, OP. I wanted to work Ike, American Bulldog, in Sch. That was part of the plan when I bought him. There are a lot of the breed involved in the sport. I called club after club and was told not to bother because "bulldogs never let go once they latch on". It took calling an out of state club in Ohio to find someone willing to eval him and work with him if he was suited to the sport.
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Wait wait wait.... A Chinese crested pulled 500lbs???? Love the video by the way!

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Sorry that guy was rude to you, GDM!!! My co-worker had the same problem when she went to her eval with her pit bull. They sure do like their GSD and Mals.
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