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Old 12-04-2012, 08:30 PM
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I think what this is in large part is putting the dog in the sport he/she is most likely to excel. Sch is just not very well suited for a very large breed dog. That doesn't excuse someone treating you poorly, though. The dog just isn't very well suited for the sport, nothing more.

Same with a Dachshund and agility. It isn't well suited for it. Does that mean you can't? No. You can do whatever sport you want with whatever dog you want, but if you're to be competitive, you have to have a dog best suited for whatever sport it is. And that is what it comes down to: competitiveness. They don't just do sport for fun in many cases.

This is where I am currently stuck: finding the best sport for my dog, considering his size, speed, etc. I want to match him up with what is is most likely to excel with. Maybe I am competitive myself, I don't know.. but I just can't see going to the effort of pursuing a sport he is not suited for. If I did/do, then everyone around us will always be better than we are. I prefer to find something he can truly be good at.
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I think what this is in large part is putting the dog in the sport he/she is most likely to excel. Sch is just not very well suited for a very large breed dog. That doesn't excuse someone treating you poorly, though. The dog just isn't very well suited for the sport, nothing more.

Same with a Dachshund and agility. It isn't well suited for it. Does that mean you can't? No. You can do whatever sport you want with whatever dog you want, but if you're to be competitive, you have to have a dog best suited for whatever sport it is. And that is what it comes down to: competitiveness. They don't just do sport for fun in many cases.

This is where I am currently stuck: finding the best sport for my dog, considering his size, speed, etc. I want to match him up with what is is most likely to excel with. Maybe I am competitive myself, I don't know.. but I just can't see going to the effort of pursuing a sport he is not suited for. If I did/do, then everyone around us will always be better than we are. I prefer to find something he can truly be good at.
Actually, Nola's doing the best out of all the dogs in her agility class (which includes Aussies, BCs, Shelties, ect). She's also off working lines, which includes many tracking, hunting, agility, Rally and Flyball titles. She's a longer legged, shorter back Dachshund, so agility IS her ideal sport. And I fully intend to take it to competition level.

I'm sure GDM feels the same about Link.
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For me, yeah ok sure a dog can be "suited" for a sport. whatever. if youre not even willing to give them a shot though, you dont know if they are suited for it or not. great danes CAN do schutzhund, ive seen it. they may not be THE BEST at it in general, but you cant cluster them all together as a whole. thats the FIRST rule you learn as a dog trainer- 'dogs are not cookie cutters, theyre all different and they all learn/perform differently.' so to say "great danes are not good at schutzhund" is a general statement. just like "pit bulls are a dangerous dog" and "great danes cant do agility". its just silly to group a breed as a whole in those aspects. now saying "great danes require minimal grooming" would be true because they all DO have short hair, its not like some have long hair.

who knows, maybe Link would have been competitive, maybe a complete flop. but who cares? i dont. Link doesnt. its the bond that him and i have and the experince we gain and how we grow that matters. its not trophies and ribbons.

anyway its behind us, and we are looking at flyball. but im sure hes not "suited" for that either... what i do know is the team that we have accepts every breed, including giants. hence they now have taken an irish wolfhound on board. THOSE are the kind of people i want to be associated with, not arrogant jerks who cant even spell "shepherd".
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Personally, I think Flyball is a healthier activity. I'm not sure I like the whole schutzhund thing... just does not have a relaxed and fun feel to it.
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None of this is personal, people. It is simple human competitive nature, nothing more, so don't make it more!

Certain breeds dominate certain sports, so what? That sure doesn't make your dogger less of a wonderful dog. Just means there are breeds with better physical traits to excel in a sport. Kinda like tall kids are recruited more for basketball.

Geesh, this is not a judgment on anyone's dogs! My dog is too nervy for schutzhund, that doesn't upset me, I just know it is true. He probably isn't fast enough for flyball and that doesn't upset me either. Agility? Maybe, but he might be just a bit too big... to be... competitive. If I am content to do it for fun only? Great! What I think you need to accept here is that lots of people don't just do sport for fun -- they compete. If you have a child in any kind of competitive sport, you know how the parents are. I don't see it as all that different in dog sport.

I personally think it is perfectly cool to put any breed in any sport. I like the owner's initiative to try against the odds, so to speak.... ! But there is no reason to become upset when totally obvious issues are pointed out: certain sports do require certain dog characteristics; usually physically ones. Some sports require speed -- does your breed have that? If not, they won't go as far as those that do. I am so suprised to see this as a personal issue. Again, I don't care what sport a person chooses and I think it is awesome that a person is training their dog in anything! but my personal thoughts have always been == choose what the dog is most likely to excel with. Match the dog's personality and phsyical attributes to the thing the is best suited. I mean, why not stack the odds in your favor?

There is a reason you see an overabundance of certain breeds in certain sports.. that particular breed excels in that particular sport. Physically, mentally. They're "suited" for it. (Yes I said that word again, because it fits.) Why do some feel some need to bust into a sport with a dog ill-suited for that sport? Instead of becoming indignent, why not simply put your dog in a sport that is better suited to your dog?? Or get a dog that has a decent chance in that sport?
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Subado, the only one getting heated and indignant here is you. You made a blanket statement, and all GDM and I did was point out that competitive sports are 100% possible with our respective breeds. Nothing more.
And frankly, telling us to "try another sport or get a different dog" is not only insulting, but small minded. That is all I have to say on this subject. Good night!
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Subado, the only one getting heated and indignant here is you. You made a blanket statement, and all GDM and I did was point out that competitive sports are 100% possible with our respective breeds. Nothing more.
And frankly, telling us to "try another sport or get a different dog" is not only insulting, but small minded. That is all I have to say on this subject. Good night!
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Amanda, I did not become heated nor indignant in any way.

Are those sports possible? Sure! Will you excel on a competive level without provisions? No, you will not. A Great Dane is not suited for competitive Sch. Just not fast enough. A Dachshund is not suited for competitive agility. Body isn't built for that. Can they DO the sport? Sure. Can they excel, can they go beyond dogs with better physical characteristics aimed for that sport? No. They cannot. That's just fact, not insulting, small minded, indignant, etc.

I don't have a dog in this race, Amanda. There is absolutely nothing personal in this to me. This is about you making it personal. Thinking I am making a judgment on your dog. I am not. Personally, if I owned your dog, my focus would be nosework. Perfect match for your dog, her body and her breed. Set the dog up with the training, sport, etc that has the highest odds of success and excellence. Why choose a sport that you'll never even begin to approach the level of the dogs that are specifically built just for that sport?

This isn't emotional, it is logical.
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Well let me say I have a friend with 8 bloodhounds, not a single one can track. So don't say what is and is not a fit for someone's dog. Oh and yes, I was a dancer for 19yrs, as we're my 2 sisters. We were raised to dance because we loved it. No natter how good or bad we were, do it because we love it. That's why we didn't attend a competition dance school, and never had any desire to. People have lost so much with their dogs from pushing to be the best, it's like those damn kids beauty pageants. Why not just do what you BOTH live. If he doesn't like flyball, we won't do it. If he does but isn't the best, so what? I'm giving him joy and in turn receiving the best joy I can get, because I know I'm giving him a good life.
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Subado, I'd appreciate it very much of you would refrain from telling me what I should or shouldn't do with my dog.
She's a hound, so what? She has no desire to track, at all. But she literally lights up when doing agility. She's fast, agile, attentive. Nola's mother was an Agility Excellent, so clearly my breed CAN do it competitively.

GDM said it well, why do it if it's so competitive it's not fun?
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Amanda, you continue to put words in my keyboard that I never typed.

Honestly I don't care what you do with your dog. I'm not going to keep this going; you seem to both think I am coming after you. I'm not. I've said it at least ten times. If you want to believe I was being nasty to you, that's ok.

You may not be competitive, but dog people more often than not, are very competitive. I hope you will find healthy and happy training environments for whatever endeavor you choose.
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