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Old 10-28-2014, 04:53 PM
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Anyone have experience with schutzhund? I have a friend who is very interested in giving it a try with her GSD, but the few schutzhund club websites we've looked at really don't go into a lot of detail about the training. She is worried that it uses harsh punishment to get results.
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I know he doesn't come on that regular but I think @Shawsea would know a lot about it. Usually if he is tagged somewhere he comes and visits us again.
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Schutzhund started out as a way to test the quality of GSDs and similar breeds to make sure the breeders were producing 'raw material' that could be used to meet whatever needs arose, be that all of a sudden needing a bunch of herding dogs, or police dogs, or search and rescue dogs or whatever.

Unfortunately, it turned from breeders having a goal and the Schutzhund being a test to make sure they were staying on track regardless of their specific goal, for many winning the test became the goal in and of itself.

It's like someone coming up with a 20 question history test to see how well teachers are doing teaching history, but then after a while stopping the teaching of history in general and switch to simply memorizing the answers to the test.

What the people who want to WIN at schutzhund have found is that the best dog for it is a dog that is extremely excited by toys and playing, and who are motivated by being able to play with their favorite toy as a reward. Pretty soon the 'bite sleeve' is seen as just another chew toy, not as a simulated attacker.

That's a round-about way of saying that MOST schutzhund is built around rewards based training not punishment based training.
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That is true. Schutzhund had genuine intentions for weeding out sound quality dogs from inferior weak nerves ones. The "sport" was less sport and more a rigorous testing process. Unfortunately that test has become a popular weekend sport that ANYONE with a GSD can trial in.
If looking for a fun activity to do with your GSD then join a good club with a quality training director. You will enjoy it.

Just don't kid yourself into believing the dog is now a true working dog or a personal protection dog. It is a sport dog. Schutzhund, ringsport etc have pattern based repetitive tasks that in NO way reflect reality. Example an assailant will not "drive" your dog in a very rehearsed manner. In real life all hell breaks loose. The assailant will drive your dog into a brick wall while giving relentless knees to the ribs. Most schutzhund dogs would turn tail and run! So again it's a fun sport to enjoy and learn various dog training principles but in the end it's a sport nothing more.
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