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This is a discussion on Protection work within the Working Dogs forums, part of the Dog Shows and Performance category; so ive recently started doing protection work with my dog, hes a doberman, full euro lines. my problem is hes great when we get out ...

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Old 08-10-2013, 09:32 PM
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Protection work

so ive recently started doing protection work with my dog, hes a doberman, full euro lines.

my problem is hes great when we get out there, lots of drive. buuut when he finally gets the sleeve he lets go then bites again. he doesnt hold the sleeve, he just bites over and over again and im not sure why?

has anyone else had this problem? or even seen this. all of us on the field kind of looked and each other as hes biting and chewing on the sleeve. i guess he sees it as more of a toy

ive been thinking of just pulling him out, but i thought i would get others opinions to see if any one else had this problem.

thank you!
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There are a few members who may be able to help. Hopefully they come along.

Granted I have not done any protection work, but iirc a strong tug drive is a big part of the foundation for bite work. You would likely want to have a solid "get it" (in your case whatever word your using for bite), a strong desire to hang on and tug, and a solid "drop it"/"out" (releasing the tug or sleeve).

What have the trainers told you? Surely they have some suggestions!
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Are you working with a club? How old is your dog?

Have you properly built his bite?

Some dogs don't have a natural full mouth grip. So you teach them how. I like bite pillows to start. It helps target, plus it gives a comfortable surface. Jute is my favorite, synthetic works ok.

If his nerves are stable enough for bitework, and the letting fo is not a fear issue, work on building him up to keep his grip. You want a full mouth, all the way back to his throat.

Playing tug ( as long as he isn't teething) and letting him win will help this. Don't pressure him much. Always give in before he let's go. Soon as he wins it, reach back in, tug, let him win. Then build this up so he keeps a full grip.

Bitework is best built in stages, using tugs, pillows, puppy sleeves, on up to hard sleeves and hidden sleeves depending on which direction you go.

If you advance farther than he is ready, you can end up with a chewy dog, typewriter bites, or stressed out dogs. Also it should be a game until his bite is finished. Once he is confident, and has proper bite you can begin with defense drive, adding pressure as he is ready.
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Thank you for the suggestions, hes 2 so he just started out in the field (he was introduced since he was a puppy). I've been working with the trainer, she says if he doesn't improve at all in the next 2 weeks well just figure we wasnt meant to do it. He has drive but more so for play so i guess we will see where it goes. Thank you so much


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Dobermanns typically bite very hard and very fast. Bite, bite, bite. I'm sure this varies between lines, but long ago when I knew people who trained PP, this is what was expected of a dobie. So, this may simply be his style. As suggested above, do some tug of war with him.
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