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Old 09-26-2012, 10:03 PM
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Look into what legal right they have vs yours. I would move. Please don't attempt to get service dog status. This is not the case, and may ruin rights that people who actually need dogs have.
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:59 AM
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did they just up & decide 'ok we're not going to allow dogs anymore'? or did you KNOW they apt building didnt allow dogs but got one anyway? if its for former you might have a legal case against the super/manager.

if you were aware of the policy, however, then i dont think there is much you can do short of finding a dog friendly place. its not too hard (depending on where you ar located) there are more apts becoming dog friendly these days with the whole 'pet parent' movment thing
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You can get emotional service dog tags very easily. Here is the link: Service Dog ID Tags - Custom Service Dog Badges

A friend recommended this to me when I wanted to bring my dog to a public event. I don't know what state you live in, but I'm fairly certain that it is illegal to ask for any type of identification for a service dog. At least in California it is. Is it in your lease that dogs are not allowed? Did the note look official? Maybe find a new place to live where problems like this won't arise. Lying to your landlord is never a good choice.
I know this thread is super old, but just in case someone, especially just a lurker, is reading this, I just have to make mention of the fact that it is ILLEGAL to (as stated in OP's post) claim a pet dog as a service dog.

It is also EXTREMELY unfair to legitimate service dog teams that are not only legitimately disabled, but are working their asses off in either a program for training and placing service dogs, or as an owner-trainer of their own SD, such as myself.

Also, the suggestion above is absolutely wrong, on so many levels. Not only is that site, along with SO many others like it, completely a scam, and not legitimate AT ALL, but it is absolutely WRONG to get an ESA (emotional support animal) tag to simply be able to bring your dog to a public non-dog event, or to evade eviction (as unfair as it is in this situation).

Not only are ESAs not allowed in public places that SDs are, such as grocery stores, but an ESA is not just a pet that one wants to tote around everywhere, or a pet that one wants to keep in newly stated "no pets" housing. It has to actually be trained, and you have to have a reason for needing the ESA.

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You also have to actually HAVE a disability to acquire or owner-train a SD. And not only that, but the dog has to be trained to perform actual tasks that mitigate ones actual disability. This does NOT mean natural behaviors, such as giving love/kisses, etc.

It is not illegal for business owners and other owners of property to ask questions, they are just only allowed to ask 2 questions: "Is your dog a service dog?" and "What task(s) does the dog perform?"

This does NOT mean it's OK to illegally claim your pet dog as a service dog.
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Keep us posted...this sounds illegal and is totally dependent on your written contract. Even if it isn't in the contract and the landlord was aware of people having pets it he is giving "implied consent" to this....and cant' evict..

Go to the newspaper and your congressman and let them know what is happening too! Esp. your congressman or alderman, etc. Get an injunction if you have the money....or a stop and desist order from a judge.. Fair Housing Bureau has a lot of CLOUT!
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I'm not sure about elsewhere but this is illegal in Canada.
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I know this thread is super old, but just in case someone, especially just a lurker, is reading this, I just have to make mention of the fact that it is ILLEGAL to (as stated in OP's post) claim a pet dog as a service dog.

It is also EXTREMELY unfair to legitimate service dog teams that are not only legitimately disabled, but are working their asses off in either a program for training and placing service dogs, or as an owner-trainer of their own SD, such as myself.

Also, the suggestion above is absolutely wrong, on so many levels. Not only is that site, along with SO many others like it, completely a scam, and not legitimate AT ALL, but it is absolutely WRONG to get an ESA (emotional support animal) tag to simply be able to bring your dog to a public non-dog event, or to evade eviction (as unfair as it is in this situation).

Not only are ESAs not allowed in public places that SDs are, such as grocery stores, but an ESA is not just a pet that one wants to tote around everywhere, or a pet that one wants to keep in newly stated "no pets" housing. It has to actually be trained, and you have to have a reason for needing the ESA.

Frequently Asked Questions | Service Dog Central

You also have to actually HAVE a disability to acquire or owner-train a SD. And not only that, but the dog has to be trained to perform actual tasks that mitigate ones actual disability. This does NOT mean natural behaviors, such as giving love/kisses, etc.

It is not illegal for business owners and other owners of property to ask questions, they are just only allowed to ask 2 questions: "Is your dog a service dog?" and "What task(s) does the dog perform?"

This does NOT mean it's OK to illegally claim your pet dog as a service dog.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:42 AM
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You can get emotional service dog tags very easily. Here is the link: Service Dog ID Tags - Custom Service Dog Badges

A friend recommended this to me when I wanted to bring my dog to a public event. I don't know what state you live in, but I'm fairly certain that it is illegal to ask for any type of identification for a service dog. At least in California it is. Is it in your lease that dogs are not allowed? Did the note look official? Maybe find a new place to live where problems like this won't arise. Lying to your landlord is never a good choice.

I just wanted to say for the record that the above is HIGHLY ILLEGAL unless the OP has a disability requiring it. You can't just get tags and say the dog is a service dog or emotional support animal.

Edit ~ Megs beat me to it.
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You can get emotional service dog tags very easily. Here is the link: Service Dog ID Tags - Custom Service Dog Badges

A friend recommended this to me when I wanted to bring my dog to a public event. I don't know what state you live in, but I'm fairly certain that it is illegal to ask for any type of identification for a service dog. At least in California it is. Is it in your lease that dogs are not allowed? Did the note look official? Maybe find a new place to live where problems like this won't arise. Lying to your landlord is never a good choice.
As much as lying about your dog being a service dog is illegal, you CAN go through the training with a pet dog in order to get some of the correct licensing if you qualify. I would check the lease you have signed, and the laws around it in your area.
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Training just any pet dog in order to evade eviction, to help get certain licensing (though there is no licensing for service dogs, actually) to get into certain housing, etc. is also illegal. You have to have a disability. Not just a diagnosis even. Diagnosis does not = disability. Let alone neither of the two, in the OP's case (although I doubt the OP has any issues today, as this thread is a like a year old or something.)

Not only does it take the absolute "right" candidate as far as health and temperament go, it takes a sound dog, in SO many ways. More ways than anyone considers when thinking of training their dog to be a SD or ESA.
Most people who owner-train end up washing out their dog, if they are responsible enough to know when it is necessary, because of SO many varying reasons.

To take a dog that has been a pet for years (or even less, it doesn't matter), and try to train it to be a SD, or even an ESA, without prior necessity for one, is just wrong.
The fact that we have the right to owner-train because of the ADA is a privilege IMO, and it's because of people deciding to train their "such a great temperament!" pet dog just to get into housing or bring their beloved dog anywhere they go, that we owner-trainers get a bad reputation.

Again, you have to have a true disability to acquire a SD, and a psychiatric disorder/doctor's prescription for an ESA, describing that you are disabled by a mental illness, and that an ESA is part of your treatment plan.
And owner-training or not, for a SD, the dog has to be taught several different tasks, none of which include just basic love from the dog. Those tasks have to successfully mitigate one's disability, and take months to YEARS to train.

If this person were to try and train their dog to be an ESA, it would certainly be easier, but still a complete fraud if this person has no need for an ESA, and if the dog has had no prior training. ESAs are not just normal well-tempered dogs, they are the absolute right candidates, just like SDs, and they are trained exceptionally well to handle all kinds of situations, just not on the same level as a SD.

It's also because of people barely (or hastily) training their pet dog to become an ESA in times like this, that ESA owners are under scrutiny.

So with all due respect, please don't advise anyone that this is a good idea, in a rushed situation especially.
There is MUCH more work that HAS to go into these dogs than people usually account for.

Here is an example of a person wanting, and actually needing, (from her description) an ESA, and asking how to go about speaking with the landlord to provide accommodations for her, and allow an ESA. The best answer talks a little bit about ESAs and the FHAA (Fair Housing Amendments Act).

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There may technically be legal requirements for service dogs but I've never heard of it being enforced. Current laws regarding service dogs are very lax and it's illegal for anyone to ask too much about service dogs under the ADA. I do see badly behaved service dogs that are clearly not well trained sometimes.

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