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Old 10-17-2015, 11:56 PM
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Timber, I forgot to add that. My female dog is off leash all the time. If she were intact that would not be an option.
Why would her being off leash being problematic the majority of the year? I can totally understand wanting the convenience of not wanting to go through heat cycles, but that's not an issue that would make being off lead not an option except a few weeks twice a year...
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Old 10-18-2015, 11:34 AM
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Why would her being off leash being problematic the majority of the year? I can totally understand wanting the convenience of not wanting to go through heat cycles, but that's not an issue that would make being off lead not an option except a few weeks twice a year...
It is just overall very inconvenient for me. Even if I put her on a lead, I live in a rural area where a lot of dogs run around loose and many are not neutered. I do not think I can stop a 150 pound dog charging at her.

Better safe than sorry. None of my dogs ever had any health issues related to neutering. The benefits of neutering far outway the negative aspects, in my opinion.
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Teddy is 14 months old and is not neutered. When we talked about getting him fixed he didn't weigh enough and I didn't want to risk it. I really don't see an issue with him never getting neutered, but I do understand both sides of it. My two youngest boys are neutered as they were from a shelter and they always neuter/spay their animals.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:49 AM
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Levi is neutered and Heidi will be spayed as per my breeder contracts. I would probably prefer to wait until they were around 2, but I think the breeders want to make sure I'm not out breeding their dogs.

Plus, I really enjoy that I don't have to correct Levi humping anything. I find that behaviour obnoxious.
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All of my dogs have been and will be neutered. I can handle hormones and craziness, but even the most vigilant people can screw up and I would never want an oops litter on my hands. The matter of when they are altered will depend on the dog.

My first GSD was neutered at 6 months (back in 95). He was an ASL, so generally less driven anyway. He was still energetic and matured very well, both physically and mentally.

My more recent dog was neutered at the rescue I got him from at 3 months. He never had any growth issues mentally or physically. He had drive like you wouldn't believe. And he was a lean, mean, obedience machine. The fittest dog I had ever owned. There was so much I wanted to do with him...

My brother's Husky was neutered at around 2 years. Much like my Shepherd, he got stocky and filled in nice. However, he's much more difficult than any of our other dogs were.

All in all, my personal experiences have shown no real physical or maturity differences between early and late neutered dogs. The only real difference I've noticed is that intact or late neutered animals are more pig-headed, typically. And honestly I'd rather have an animal that wants to work with me and avoid the risk of puppies...
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Cosmo was a mild humper before he got fixed and now his nasty thingy doesn't even come out, and I haven't corrected any humping since so I'm happy.

I have no desire to breed dogs - not responsible enough, don't have enough money time or space, and having a whole litter of puppies in my house sounds like my idea of hell, so yes my furry creatures will always be fixed. We don't need an accident litter and we certainly don't need humping.
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My next will likely be a boy and will NOT be neutered. I may breed if things pan out well as far as temperament, health and work ability, and of course if I'm in a position to do so.

For those that don't know, the next will be another purebred border collie. Working bred. If I end up with a super nice collie, I feel like it would be a disservice to the breed to not breed.
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Chisum was neutered by his rescue at 8 weeks (loooong before I'd have done so). He's better off neutered, but he still humps (mostly air, not objects) and marks a LOT. My trainers asked me once if he was neutered because of the sheer frequency in which he was marking

Sophie my terrier mix (rescue) is spayed, but my female Aussie is not.

Honestly, I've had males and females both that were intact - and at the same time (didn't breed). It can be done. But its far easier to have them altered. I'll probably continue to alter (most avenues I will get dogs from will require it anyway) but will decide case by case.
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My next will likely be a boy and will NOT be neutered. I may breed if things pan out well as far as temperament, health and work ability, and of course if I'm in a position to do so.

For those that don't know, the next will be another purebred border collie. Working bred. If I end up with a super nice collie, I feel like it would be a disservice to the breed to not breed.
Particularly in breeds with a fairly limited gene pool I do think this is true in many cases. You can lose out on some great bloodlines by not breeding them. I see it happen pretty frequently, unfortunately. Very nice, proven dogs aren't bred for whatever reason (owner has no interest, doesn't want to deal with intact animals, politics in the breed, whatever), so those genes don't get passed on. And yet, I see mediocre dogs being bred all the time. Breeders that will repeatedly breed/breed to the same so-so dogs rather than branching out to lesser known, but really nice dogs.

The good thing about having boys is that you don't personally have to deal with the hassle of "being a breeder". That's not to say that you don't need to be very responsible about who partakes in your dog's services- breeding to proven/health tested bitches, finding breeders that have similar goals/values as you, etc. You do need to prove and health test your own stud. But you don't need to go through heat cycles, whelping a litter, raising it, and placing all the pups. If I had to do that there's no way in heck I could have a breeding dog at this point in my life, but having a male that may be bred at some point isn't that daunting of a prospect.
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Particularly in breeds with a fairly limited gene pool I do think this is true in many cases. You can lose out on some great bloodlines by not breeding them. I see it happen pretty frequently, unfortunately. Very nice, proven dogs aren't bred for whatever reason (owner has no interest, doesn't want to deal with intact animals, politics in the breed, whatever), so those genes don't get passed on. And yet, I see mediocre dogs being bred all the time. Breeders that will repeatedly breed/breed to the same so-so dogs rather than branching out to lesser known, but really nice dogs.

The good thing about having boys is that you don't personally have to deal with the hassle of "being a breeder". That's not to say that you don't need to be very responsible about who partakes in your dog's services- breeding to proven/health tested bitches, finding breeders that have similar goals/values as you, etc. You do need to prove and health test your own stud. But you don't need to go through heat cycles, whelping a litter, raising it, and placing all the pups. If I had to do that there's no way in heck I could have a breeding dog at this point in my life, but having a male that may be bred at some point isn't that daunting of a prospect.
Yep! I absolutely love the breed...A lot of people breed BC's now for sport. I think it's sorta taking it away from what I'd consider a genuine border collie. I think the traits of a well bred working border collie are the same traits that first let the BC excel in sports.

If I had a girl, I'd still consider breeding. But yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with the drawbacks LOL. And I feel like you have a much smaller window to prove out a female too.
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