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Old 12-30-2012, 12:00 AM
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CGC training?

While I still want to do agility with Guinness, I wanted to really get down her obedience down before attempting anything of the sort. I was talking to my grandmother about my Senior Omega project that I have to do in order to get my psych degree. I'm studying more of the clinical aspect but I do enjoy the expressive and other forms of therapy. We talked about Guinness becoming a therapy dog in order to work her into my Omega project which will most likely deal with forms of therapy.

I've been working on basic obedience down with her, but there is a dog trainer out near the barn where I ride with my school and she is a trainer who is also a CGC evaluator, so after her training session is over she tests your dog to become a CGC. I figured this would be the best training for both of us to learn what it's going to take to be a therapy dog.

She has several classes she offers but it was down to basic obedience or AKC CGC class.

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I would do the CGC class.
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it depends where you are at with your training. if you have a dog who doesnt focus well yet when working outside of their "comfort zone" (like at home) then you dont want to jump right into CGC. im a CGC evaluator, and i require my dogs to take a basic obedience class first or else they just arent ready for the CGC yet. either that or they have to prove to me that they are ready. what i do is a 6 week class. week 1 i run through the whole test and write down what dogs are having troubles where, then for the next 4 weeks work on those issues. then week 6 take the test. i havent had a dog fail yet.

the CGC isnt HARD, but you cant have a dog with 0 training jump in it. also make sure your dog is comfortable being handled by strangers and being left with a stranger without you, and can ignore another dog when close by. that tends to be the hardest one i think... when you approach another person with a dog and have to stop and shake hands/say hello, and the dogs cannot greet each other. a lot of people let their dogs greet on leash so they just think its ok to do, and its not always easy to break that. im lucky that i never let my dogs do so and they ignore other dogs. thats usually why we use my lexi as the dog to approach because we know she wont try to greet the other dog. and keep in mind you cant use treats during the test.

also just because you said therapy dog, remember CGC is NOT a therapy dog. but its a great place to start since 10 parts of the test are the same as the TDI!
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I understand perfectly that CGC is not the same as a therapy, but I figured it would be a great basis to start with. Luckily, Guinness doesn't show much interested in other dogs, she shows much more interest in people. She has the basics down with sit, stay, and down. We've been working on loose leash training. We normally don't train at home we rotate within a few parks depending on how many people are around. She's fine with meeting new people and always willing to greet them. However, there are no small children in the family to practice with how she would handle with people.

I figured I might let the trainer evaluate Guinness herself to see where she is at and tell me whether we should take her obedience or CGC.

I haven't weaned Guinness off of treats completely yet. She doesn't get them all the time when we are training. It's only at random but mainly a lot of praise.
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i just wanted to touch base that CGC isnt TDI, some people dont know that. watch with greeting people too because when you greet the other person with the dog they cant greet the person either. also you have to "walk through a crowd" and they cant be greeting people or looking trying to get attention.

one big thing to learn is that the dog needs to stay til you get back to them. a lot of people recall from a stay, and during the test you have to come back to the dog and release them, so then the whole process of getting them to stay there on your trip back is a PITA. and you have to be able to turn your back and walk away during the stay. also a good solid recall is crutial.

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I did the CGC with my 8 month lab mix and no problems at all. It was fairly easy. They dont expect a perfect dog. Just a nice, well behaved one. Its not an obedience test so its not that strict. You dont need a perfect heel or sonething like that. Also its a pretty short stay they want to see. Really important is that you dog doesnt jump on people or goes crazy with other dogs.
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I understand perfectly that CGC is not the same as a therapy, but I figured it would be a great basis to start with. Luckily, Guinness doesn't show much interested in other dogs, she shows much more interest in people. She has the basics down with sit, stay, and down. We've been working on loose leash training. We normally don't train at home we rotate within a few parks depending on how many people are around. She's fine with meeting new people and always willing to greet them. However, there are no small children in the family to practice with how she would handle with people.

I figured I might let the trainer evaluate Guinness herself to see where she is at and tell me whether we should take her obedience or CGC.

I haven't weaned Guinness off of treats completely yet. She doesn't get them all the time when we are training. It's only at random but mainly a lot of praise.
I hope I can say this right, but the CGC is just a certificate -- well, actually I guess they're calling it a title now, but doesn't matter in this context. It's not an either/or sort of thing. I think you should start with Obedience classes and a natural byproduct of going thru those classes *will* be prep work towards the CGC test. Just getting the CGC test passed doesn't mean a ton -- just means you passed a test. I think you'll enjoy Ob classes!
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I agree Subado. Some evaluators are more lenient than others, as if they want a good passing rate. My Weezie passed the first time with ease but I had worked with her for several months. With Luna there has been a more intensive training program to deal with her confidence issues as well as socialization. Luna has had the opportunity to 'proof' her obedience in real-life settings and has done well. To mee that is more important than the certificate. I am able to take her to dog friendly places and feel more at ease because she has had the exposure through her obedience classes.
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So perhaps her obedience class is the better option.

These are the class options Woof Pack Pet Services - Dog Training
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So perhaps her obedience class is the better option.

These are the class options Woof Pack Pet Services - Dog Training
Looks interesting! Honestly, I would start with the Ob class. One thing to keep in mind, if you end up liking Ob, it looks as though she only offers the Obed I. If you want to continue with Obed, you'd likely have to change clubs and repeat a beginner's Obed.

I wish she specifically spelled out the skills she works on in Obed I. Many of them are probably the same as the AKC class. You may be able to try the CGC without even doing the CGC class. We never took a CGC class.

Watch out, Obed can get addictive.
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