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Old 05-30-2016, 01:31 PM
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If you feed a variety of meats, bones, and organs a dog/puppy will be just fine. It's not rocket science, nutrients are all there as long as there is variety. Kibble is full of crap in my opinion and would rather spend time in feeding something without all the processed ingredients than feeding kibble solely for convenience. Not sure where others are from here, but in my area, many farmers use roundup industrial grade to kill all weeds/grass in their fields. It soaks into the ground then they plant corn, soy, etc. Then it gets processed and sold off, which I am pretty certain it's also sold for dog food manufacturing. Then we feed it to our pets. I am guilty too of feeding kibble in the past and while in school due to finances, but have had them back on raw as soon as I could and feel much better about it. I also understand that raised meats are also full of crap in the sense of antibiotics, etc but I feel it is the lesser evil than the processed fillers found in kibble. I also do understand that there are very good brands of kibble that dogs can do very well on, yet the way they are processed gives me doubts when compered to feeding fresh ingredients.

A little bit of parm is not going to kill the pup. Yet, I would recommend you wean him off of it and just use tough love to get him to eat. It's worked here in the past.
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Its not negative thinking, we're not discussions a mouse as a diet for dogs or cats.
It's come about that people are clearly inexperienced and not knowledgable regarding dietary requirements of the pets.
I think it's unrealistic to suggest a trip to supermarket/high st to source ingredients then weigh specific amounts up to ensure balanced diet is obtained, then bag up, freeze, defrost amounts lasting a month can be obtained in a couple of hours.
Ordering raw foods in too is not something i agree with.
I use to feed raw diets to working lines as they thrived on high protein diets and low carbs.
Butchers now have to incinerate scraps and meat scrap quality is not what it was in the 40's or 50's. Back then dogs got the saying fit as a butchers dog.
Now I'm advised and share the opinion that a stable diet of a reputable brand of kibble is best for my canines. They will be healthier and live longer. When science and specialists recommend different I shall follow that advice. I feel i have some insurance then.
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:35 PM
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Your think. ?

Should OP give his 4 month old puppy Parmesan as a top up, to encourage it to eat it's raw food diet.?
What about when OP takes Parmesan out again. ?

This forum is ok for debate and discussion about dogs, in all manner of speaking.
If in doubt though, you should consult a specialist as a responsibility.
Especially where health and feeding issues are at play.
Yes. If that is what they need to do to get their puppy to eat their food then it's fine. I do suggest eventually trying to wean it out HOWEVER I really do not see a problem with a small incentive when it is helpful to a better diet.

This is not a dangerous food. This isn't even the style of raw-feeding I use. This is a commercial dog food, set to the same nutritional standards that any kibble you feed your dog is set to that whether or not you believe is the best diet is still just as safe as kibble.

I understand that I take some risks with the diet I feed Bandit. I do a lot of things to minimize that risk, and the health benefits he has received has made me a believer in the PMR diet. But there is no risks in this puppy food that wouldn't be present in any other store-bought food.

Edit: @timber, same as Jagger sorry I didn't add you I was on a time crunch!

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@Basil1985, I think you're overcomplicating things. The OP is feeding a raw diet and I don't remember reading they wanted to switch off of it. The person is just asking if a little bit of parm cheese is ok. If you have some issues with raw feeding, maybe a different you can be started to post your opinions on it instead of derailing the OP's question.
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This is where a matter of personal choice comes into it. Its certainly not cut and shut across the medical field.
Parmesan in any dose is not good for pups. If they are hungry they will eat, you can try safe ingredients to encourage a pup to eat, they don't have to be Parmesan which has lactose, which has Cotten and has wood pulp.
Agree to disagree here.
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My dogs sometimes find big braches in the yard that fall from the willow tree and I sometimes see them playing with them and chewing on them. I will not be so fussy over a little bit of chewed wood.
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I think it's unrealistic to suggest a trip to supermarket/high st to source ingredients then weigh specific amounts up to ensure balanced diet is obtained, then bag up, freeze, defrost amounts lasting a month can be obtained in a couple of hours.

When science and specialists recommend different I shall follow that advice. I feel i have some insurance then.
I'm sorry I wasn't counting my time at the grocery store or the time that the food was defrosting as hands-on time, because I shop for Bandit the same time I shop for me and I defrost in the fridge overnight. If I add in grocery time its still around 4-5 hours a month. Well worth it.

Many specialists are actually recommending raw feeding, and if it wasn't a widely accepted diet you wouldn't see all of the new commercial brands of raw diets in pet stores worldwide.
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You can disagree with yourself regarding it being " Difficult "
I said it was complex and challenging to feed an adequately nutritional diet to a puppy.
Their is an element of ignorance surrounding raw food diets, a lot of people are jumping on this as the new fad and hopefully it wears off soon. !!!
To understand a puppies nutritional diet needs threw to adulthood is very complex, I assure you more than two hours a month is required. You should really research this subject thoroughly or i would suggest a kibble diet.
It might not be difficult to change a puppies diet to raw food if your not factoring in the quickly changing needs of that individual.
As for cheese in general, stay away from it, the cheese you are using is full of wood pulp and highly likely cotton.
I would strongly suggest considering this diet if your pup is already being a picky eater. I said to start this is not a unanimous vote, the argument is favourable to both sides if educating yourself in facts is important.
By the way i have used raw food diets, currently using kibble as its generally less time consuming.
Would be great to hear others views on this.
It's really not "complex" or "challenging" to feed raw. You simply feed, in VARIETY, mostly meat, some bone and some organ. That's all. Those three ingredients provide all the nutrients a dog needs. It's only as "complex" or "challenging" as you want to make it.

Raw feeding puppies is exactly the same, only they need more. As in, three to four times a day.
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Feeding a puppy is no different than feeding an adult dog, the only difference is that the puppy will eat more per pound of body weight. Feeding raw is not complicated. I don't buy premade, I do PMR. Chicken, beef, pork, veal, fish, turkey, rabbit, lamb, goat, venison and any other meat I can get. But chicken, pork, beef, turkey and fish are my main meats. You can give a little parm cheese as long as it doesn't upset your pup's stomach. Not all parm cheese contain wood pulp, and IIRC the brands that they found it in was recalled or pulled. It was also only in pregrated parm, so if you are worried about it just buy a chunk of parm and grate it yourself. That is what I do. But I would start to wean off the parm, it isn't doing anything nutritionally for your pup. If you can I'd start to get away from the premade and but and cut your own meat. It's really easy once you get the hang of it and really doesn't take that much time. I probably spend about three or four hours a month to every month and a half. But I'm feeding three dogs, five cats and two ferrets. For one dog I couldn't see it taking more than an hour, maybe two.
As for the nutritional needs, dogs get what they need from meat, bones and organs. It's all my dogs have eaten for nearly 13 years. The only thing I do add is fish oil, for the omega 3 fatty acids.
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I think it's unrealistic to suggest a trip to supermarket/high st to source ingredients then weigh specific amounts up to ensure balanced diet is obtained, then bag up, freeze, defrost amounts lasting a month can be obtained in a couple of hours.
Why? I go shopping for the animals when I go shopping for the humans. I shop every two to three weeks (I hate shopping. But I normally fill the freezer once a month) I don't weigh the food, no need. One, I go by body condition and two I can eye it within an ounce most of the time. Cutting, bagging and freezing takes the most time. As for defrosting, it takes seconds to pull the food from the freezer and put it into a bowl to defrost. In the summer I often feed the food frozen, no defrosting needed so I save a whole 30 seconds it would take to pull the food out in the morning.

ETA My vet recommends raw feeding and were very happy to hear I was feeding PMR.
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