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Old 08-09-2010, 02:53 AM
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Help!!

Please no one be rude or anything..I'm writing on here because I want advice..

I have a 6 year old jack russell..who's great with potty training..except we found that she can only eat once per day in order to hold it all night..we've fed her once a day for the last 3 years and she's in perfect health!

However, I just got a 12 week old jack russell..had him for 2 weeks now..and am feeding him 2x a day..he does great with potty..I have to take him out right after he eats..then usually 30-45 min intervals after that which is fine..at night time he sleeps in his crate and is still working on not peeing then

I feed at 10AM and 4PM..I wake up at 8...and lately go to bed around 9..so I try to leave plenty of time for them to empty their bladders..

Training pads are completely useless for both dogs..they just go around them..and I've already used enzyme cleaners on floors..hard floors..not carpet..the problem I'm having is with the older one..since I've been feeding the puppy twice a day..I feed her twice a day so I don't create jealousy..but now she's thrown off and isn't holding it at night anymore...I just dont know what to do..I want to feed both dogs once a day..mid-day..but worry that may not be enough for the puppy..just don't know how to end the messes in the house..the older one is so smart and when we are outside..she knows when i say "go potty"..to go...and she'll always go to her area..but sometimes will just come right back in so I assume she doesnt need to go..and she does this clear up until we go to bed..but then I wake up to messes..any advice??
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:33 PM
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the number one rule of house-training is supervision, if you cannot supervise the dog then confine the dog...

the number two rule of house-training is to build a solid reward history for the dog going when and where you want them too...
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the older one is so smart and when we are outside..she knows when i say "go potty"..to go...and she'll always go to her area..but sometimes will just come right back in so I assume she doesnt need to go
tells me you aren't working on the reward history for the older dog... obviously if you continue to assume she doesn't need to go, yet find messes, your assumptions are incorrect... make sure you repeat going out with her until she does go and you can reward her

anytime there are potty issues, i always recommend that the dog be checked for UTI... an adult dog should be able to hold it's bladder over-night.... after that, i would say go back to the beginning and treat her like a puppy again (shouldn't be too hard since you have to do it with the other anyway )

oh, and this thread might have some useful info for you...

good luck...

oh, one more thing... welcome to the forum
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Old 08-10-2010, 01:44 PM
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usually puppies eat more often not less often. Crate both dogs at night to stop the accidents.
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Old 08-10-2010, 01:55 PM
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I think dogs need more than 1 meal a day personally...imagine you eating 1 meal a day, there is only so much you can consume in one sitting and that is all digested and calories burned off within hours, thus you must eat to keep going the resyt of the day...have you considered spreading out the feeding? I think you should start from step 1 with both dogs on potty training...
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Old 08-11-2010, 04:12 AM
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Puppies need to eat more. They also will relieve themselves more too though, you just have to be prepared for that. Two meals a day is really a minimum, most things I've seen suggest three meals a day. How you feed your doggies though is up to you and I'll respect that's not what you were asking.

On the note of what you were asking, it sounds like what you were doing before for your older dog was working...so...

If you think your older dog isn't holding it due to an increased feeding schedule then, and if what you were doing with your older dog before was working (feeding her once a day), perhaps you could continue it by feeding them in separate rooms? (Like feed one in the kitchen and the other (I'd suggest the puppy since you can close the door) in the bathroom). If you're feeding them in different rooms then they're not going to see each other eat and it would eliminate the jealousy. Dogs don't talk to each other in the same way we do, they don't run on up and say "Hay Max, still getting one meal a day? Yeah buddy! Guess what? Yeah, that's right, I'm getting two dinners. Oh yeah, mom loves me more." What they see, what they smell, what they experience, what they learn, and what they're conditioned to is what they know.

So that your older dog isn't seeing or smelling your puppy's extra meal, perhaps while your puppy is eating you could play a game with your older dog, or, if you need to work on resource guarding with your puppy then give your older dog a good chewy treat that's just enough to keep her occupied but not enough to cause her abdominal problems.

The puppy needs the extra-food, if the older dog was fine before but isn't now then you probably messed up her routine, but to me that sounds fixable by putting it back to what she was comfortable with. Some of these multi-dog owners may have better suggestions for ya though they're all brilliant with the stuff I couldn't have dreamed of no matter how much I try.
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Old 08-12-2010, 03:19 AM
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Not much else I can say other than I agree with Morning and the others. A common saying I always hear (and see) is 'If It Isn't Broken, Don't Fix It.' Plain and simple. (This for the older dog not the young puppy. ^_^ ) By the way, welcome to the forum also.
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