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Old 02-08-2017, 06:28 PM
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Jaya

This is kind of long (most of my post are...sorry :P I'm putting a part 2 on another page...since it's related to this but a bit different too).

Jaya, my feral aussie mix, has regressed to her fearful, distrustful ways ever since I put HaHa to sleep. She's miserable, and I'm heart broke that she lost what ever confidence she had gain in herself while HaHa was with her.

She's gone back to ducking and slinking through the house. The weight of snow and ice on my roof this year, caused some structure damage to my front room window, and I now have water dripping from the window's casing. the drips are being caught by some storage bowls I placed on the window sill. Jaya is totally freaking out over the sound of those drips...she'll look at the window and flinch with each drip and she'll whine and even sometimes growl. I've very rarely ever heard her growl.

And it's sheer hell trying to get her to come in now. If I stop calling her, she stops movement and just stands and looks at me. So I have to keep urging her to come in and she'll some times take up to 10 minutes before deciding I'm not going to leave her alone until she comes into the house. Sometimes she'll act like she's coming to the door but then turns at the last instant and runs. She wasn't doing that with HaHa...some times they would race each other to the door.

Also, she's not eating like she use to. I'll put down her 'breakfast' like around 8:30 - 9:00 am, and it still sitting there sometimes at 11:00. She was 'miss piggy' when HaHa was alive, she would eat her food then go to HaHa's bowl, and help him finish off the last few nuggets of his food.

I'm thinking of putting her back on Prozac for a while, as nothing I've done so far seems to be working with her. She's just become a ball of nerves.

I have more to say about this, but will do as like 'part 2' of this thread. It involves a trip to the shelter I made yesterday. And the above is more about Jaya's issues.

I should say, that while it breaks my heart to see her like this, she is still 'better' than when I first got her - when I couldn't look at her, or talk to her. She will still come and lay down next to me in the computer room at times, and about 1/2 the time now, she's still walking in circles and wagging her tail when I come home.

But she's no longer coming up to me and sniffing at my face when I bend over to greet her, and sometimes she just watches me as I come into the house but doesn't wag her tail like she was finally doing all the time when HaHa was alive.

I knew what kind of dog I was getting when I adopted Jaya and never thought I would see such progress with her, and I knew much of it was because of HaHa. But I am saddened that her change of character didn't stick once HaHa was no longer around. I've had Jaya for about 4 years now and was sad that she regressed as much as she did. I don't know what goes on in her brain that she still doesn't trust me even after all this time. Well...she trusted me a lot more with HaHa by her side, anyways.

part 2, animal shelter visit next page....

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Old 02-08-2017, 06:32 PM
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part 2...shelter visit:

My sister talked me into going to the animal shelter yesterday to look at a dog, but I knew as soon as I read the description that the dog would not be a good match, as she was described as being at times, 'shy, timid, afraid'. And I told my sister that. This dog and been at the pound for a while and no one looked at her, until the gal that runs the shelter told on Facebook how the dog arrived there, with cockle-burrs in her hair and way under weight from starvation. All of a sudden, half the town wanted to adopt her.

We got to the shelter late in the day, and this gal told us she was actually exhausted from talking to people about this dog and in answering emails.

She told me that my name came up that day when she and the other animal shelter folks were talking. They all knew HaHa had to be put to sleep and as some people mentioned me to them as being someone who could give this dog a good home they were even considering calling me.

But when I mentioned Jaya...the animal shelter gal, was like "Oh...I forgot about Jaya being fearful - and to be honest with you I don't think this dog would be a good fit'. My sister said, "That's what my sister told me, but I wanted to bring her up and look anyway'

I went into the kennels and looked at the dogs, and the one that was the point of this trip, didn't really catch my attention anyway. She had what I would call nervous energy...she was friendly enough, but kept spinning, backing away, then rushing forward again. The dogs in the kennels were going crazy barking and jumping, but I noticed one a few cages away that was sitting there watching, and when I looked at ?him? he thumped his tail on the ground. I walked over and talked to him for a bit, and noticed he had a blind eye. When I got closer, he still didn't stand up for a little bit, but when he did, he was relaxed and friendly.

After we went back to the office area I spoke with the gal, and she said that dog came in with 3 other dogs the day before and she thinks they are just lost dogs...they all had collars but no I.D. and she's going to give them at least a week before putting them up for adoption. She wants to advertise and hunt through notices in Montana and this area of Idaho to see if the owners are looking for them.

I'm not all that enthused about getting another dog at the moment. I'm still in deep grief over HaHa and the thought of taking in another dog right now just drains the energy out of me. I also have a huge debt to pay the vet for those 3 months HaHa was sick before finding out for sure it was cancer.

Jaya's going to need a very confident dog as a companion. She felt protected, I think by HaHa as he never was fearful of anything and she would watch him and adjust her reaction to his. Also, I hope to get a dog that will let Jaya touch or lick it without growling at her, one that will allow her to lay up against it without feeling like it's space is being invaded.

And also one that isn't into resource guarding all that much given Jay will probably try to nudge in on the food from time to time.

I feel like this is going to be impossible to find such a dog that was as easy going as HaHa was in allowing all of those things. I want to find Jaya the right companion, and would snatch one up instantly if I knew for sure I did find the right dog. But still, at this point in time, I'm not ready for a new dog. I could adjust to a new one and grow to love it, but my heart wouldn't really be into it at this point in time. The loss of HaHa has left the worst pain I've ever felt in losing one of my pets. I struggle with it daily and he's been gone since Nov. 7th. But he is gone, and Jaya's alive and she needs help in a near future. She's just miserable.

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Stormy, If I could tell you what to do, but then no one can. There is, of course, no replacing HaHa, but every dog has his or her own individual personality stamp. Perhaps you can, when you are up to it, arrange a trial period with a potential adoptee, to see how Jaya responds. I suspect if you can find the right 4 legged 'soul mate' for Jaya, your own enthusiasm will bloom, so to speak. Keep posting, we are certainly interested and concerned for and about you, Jaya & your potential/possible addition.
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HaHa was irreplaceable. That being said, I can definitely see you bringing home another dog, but I don't think you've found the right one yet.

First, I think you need to find a companion for yourself. That should be your top priority. You need a dog that will be able to love you freely without reserve. The very last dog you should be bring home would be the "shy, timid, afraid" one. A self-confident dog is also what Jaya seems to need most.

You might have to cast your net out a bit further.
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I'm so sorry that you lost HaHa and you and Jaya are in this situation. I'm not good at advice, but it reminds me of a similar (but different) situation I'm in.

Mia was the confident, laid back older mentor. Delilah is a crazy, fearful little rescue dog (not feral like Jaya though). When I first got her, she was too fearful to even walk down the street. Later she would walk, but she would express her fear in reactivity towards people. But when I walked her with Mia, she was calmer, and even curious about people (Mia would go up to greet strangers and Delilah would follow her to watch what was going on). Delilah was also reliable off leash when I had Mia because she would follow her lead. I think having a mentor dog like that was so important for Delilah.

Since Mia died I've been trying to help Delilah on my own. We're making progress, but not as quickly as when I had them both together, and sometimes it seems like we regress. I always think about getting a second dog, partly for me, and partly for Delilah. But I'm not currently in the best housing or financial situation, it'll be a year or two before I can get a friend for Delilah.

I still miss Mia and I think about her almost every day. But I'm not sad anymore, I just miss her. We had a bond that was very different from mine and Delilah's. It was like she could read my mind. She was just one of those good dogs.

There's no harm in looking, you don't need to make a commitment if you don't feel it's the right time. Keep your eyes and your heart open and sooner or later you will find the right dog.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:52 PM
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I know in my head and heart I need to wait for things to get better with me, financially and emotionally. Still, I feel the pressure of needing to get another dog.

The pressure comes from seeing Jaya so scared and at a loss and not able to relax as she's scared of everything again, including me. And I have family and friends who know how much HaHa's death has hurt me and they think another dog would help distract me from my grief. Most think it's an easy process...just go get another dog...any dog.

I told my sister before we even went up to the shelter that the looks of this dog didn't catch my attention and the red flag I saw in the dog's description about it being shy/timed and scared sometimes - to me meant this was not the kind of dog I thought would help Jaya. But my sis was like 'Well let's go up anyways and look at it, maybe seeing the dog in person will change your mind"

I've also had people offer to give or sell me puppies... blue heeler mixes, corgi mixes...which are breeds I'm not really interested in, along with the fact that I'm not so sure I want a puppy. I was thinking more along the lines of a dog that was 2 years or so older.

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Hi StormyPeak,

I think you should follow your heart. If the new dog is relatively healthy, you shouldn't have much in the way of new vet bills, and in time, you'll pay off Haha's. I can sense your desire for a new dog for both yourself and for Jaya. I think that when the right one comes along, you'll enjoy a new companion.

What makes me feel a bit uneasy is that your relatives and friends seem to be pressuring you to adopt dogs that are not the right fit for you. If you're open to a new dog, you should fully take the lead in searching for a new friend for you and for Jaya. I trust your judgement. You'll know when you've found a keeper.
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I think my family and friends have this idea that since I was willing to take on dogs like Jaya - who is feral like and terrified of everything and everyone, and then taking in HaHa who had a mental handicap - that I can just get any dog that I find pleasing to look and just adopt it.

They know that with my pets Jaya, and Harper and my cat's Kayla, Shayle and Song. That the first time I met them was the day I signed the adoption papers, I saw them on the net, and drove to distant towns to pick them up. But what they don't seem to remember, or know, is how much communication I had with shelter workers and foster families, learning what I could about those pets before I made my decision sight unseen. Jaya especially. I knew she was probably going to keep her feral ways her whole life and never be the kind of dog that would bond with me.

But I have enjoyed seeing what progress she did make...and other have noticed too how much calmer she became and she will even gently take food from people's hands now. (stretching her head out to do it, lol, but at least she doesn't see the gift of food as a 'trick' meant to catch her).

All those other times in my life when I looked for a new dog, I by passed a lot of beautiful dogs that I would have loved to owned, but read that they had issues I didn't want to deal with....like 'no cats' or 'no kids' or 'slightly resource guards' things like that are a red flag to me.

Usually if 'no cats' that also means the dog is likely to go after other small critters too, and I really don't want to find dead bunnies in my yard or cats, or someone's small dog who some how got into my yard. And that has happened twice now since I've lived here in my current home. Both times I didn't have to worry about my dogs killing someone's tiny dog or puppy, or chickens...yep, my neighbors had chickens that sometimes got into my yard and they were so happy my dogs didn't kill them.

I am going to probably wait some months, the snow here is so deep right now and of course that makes the fences 'shorter' I think Jaya, if she had a mind to, could almost step over the 4 foot fence on the one side of my yard, there's only like 2 feet of fencing sticking out of the snow. I wouldn't want a new dog to learn that trick of going over a fence if it had never occurred to it before.

Anyway, sometimes I just get feeling .... helpless... I can't pay the bills off any quicker, I can't help Jaya more than what I have been doing, and I can't just pick a dog out of a shelter the way someone might pick a pretty dress off the sale's rack.

I just have to wait until everything aligns and I find the right dog at a time when I won't stress about the money...and just hope that Jaya will 'settle' from her backward slide and I can work with her some more to gain back some of that progress we had made up to the point when HaHa showed up in our lives.

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About 4 days ago, I let Jaya out around 11pm. around midnight I went to let her back inside. I already had the porch light on, and between that, the moonlight and the lights from my one neighbor's streetlamp type light over their garage, and the Department of Transportation's big lights that light up their huge gravel shed, my lawn was pretty well lit.

The first thing I saw was a cow elk in my yard. It looked like she had come over my east fence. She was facing north west...with her ears pinned, her head down and moving in a way I've seen deer and elk move when they are in attack mode.

Her target was Jaya, who could not go into the center of the lawn or she would sink up to her neck in snow. Jaya was along the fence line, and running north, away from the elk. Jaya has several narrow paths she made over the winter, and only when it was like -22 degrees there for a week, has she walked on top of the snow in the middle of the yard.

I also know that Jaya would not have done anything to harass the cow elk into attacking her, I've seen Jaya get up and move away from deer that have jumped into my yard, and she's never gone after my neighbor's chickens either, who sometimes escaped into my yard.

The cow elk was probably just one of those who had been harassed by dogs before and just had it in her to be the aggressor before she became a victim.
Luckily, before the elk could get to Jaya, I came out, saw what was happening, and I yelled and clapped my hands once. That startled the elk, and she stopped and looked at me, looked at Jaya, then decided to turn and run...she jumped over my neighbor's fence and disappeared into the darkness.

Jaya, for once, came in pretty quick that night when I called her.

Then yesterday afternoon, it was cold and the snow was hard enough for Jaya to walk on it again. I went out to call her in and she started to do the 'going around the edge of the yard' routine...she was in the middle of the yard, and started to head towards her path, but then stopped, and turned around and came to the porch and into the house. I was absolutely shocked. It was the first time since HaHa passed away that she's come in that directly.

I was so happy about it, I almost cried. I was happy to see her do that, but also again, it made me think about HaHa and how things were when he was alive.

Then last night, or I should say about 1am, I let Jaya out again as I got things ready for bed. I got her a light late night dinner of a handful of kibble in warm water along with a doggy jerky treat, fed the cat, turned down the heat, and shut down the computer and stuff like that. So it was about 1:30 when I opened the back door to call Jaya in.

I barely got the door open, and she was running full blast for the house, straight in front of the porch, rather than coming in from the left or right on one of her paths. I could tell she was terrified. I looked in the yard real quick to see what scared her but I saw nothing, and it's dead quiet around here at that time of the night/morning, and she's used to the trucks and thumps from the loaders across the fence at the Department of Transpiration's gravel lot and there was no activity there anyways.

I have to wonder if that cow elk came back, or if there were some coyotes lurking around. Whatever it was had Jaya just shaking for some time when she came in. And I've never seen her come in from outside like that. When I went to let her out this morning, she seemed fine with going outside. I kept looking out the window to check on her for the hour she was outside and she seemed relaxed. She curled up in one of the 'pits' she's dug in the snow next to one of her trails...and was just enjoying the winter sunshine.

When I called her in, she at least didn't do several laps around the yard, she did take her sweet old time in coming in though, moving at walk, but at least only did about half a lap and then came into the house.

I'm worried about what scared her so badly last night...and if it will be back. I just hope it's not coyotes but that cow elk could be just as dangerous. I've been in this house for 12 years now, and I've only seen two elk..her, and about 8 years ago, a 4 point bull elk ran through my yard and jumped over the neighbor's fence.
I'm always getting deer in the yard, and at night, I can hear a band of coyotes in the near bye foothills, but I've never really heard them come closer than that.

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What an adventure Jaya had! At least, she saw your home as a safe place to run to, but that elk must have been quite a frightful sight.
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