5 Days To Live - SB250 (california bill)

pawsitiveside

The truth of the matter is that most pet owners aren't good pet owners. Think of how many people you know who have dogs or cats but don't take good care of them. They allow these pets to roam around and then what happens? They come home pregnant, and the owner tries frantically to give them away.

I'm working with three clients who are expecting litters and none of them are excited about it. They decided to wait until the dog was a year old to get it fixed but that decision is costing them more money and time than they had expected.

Unwanted pregnancies and people who don't keep their pets are both huge parts of the pet overpopulation problem. We may not be able to solve one, but we can do something to solve the other.

My grandparents were backyard breeders, and the way they treated those dogs were terrible. A law like this may have prevented that.

Unless people are planning on responsibly breeding their pets, or unless the animal has some type of medical problem that prevents them from having surgery, there's really no good reason why the average pet owner shouldn't have their dog spayed or nuetered.

And from what I've seen, the people who don't license their dogs aren't the ones who will take them to the vet anyway.

pawzaddict

I originally refused to license my dogs as its totally stupid and has no point. Its a way for the state to make money. I would rather not have them licensed however Glacier and peyton go out in public and harvick is nuts so I feel better covering my rear for them. I wish it wasn't required.
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Criosphynx

ok...

so what does this law accomplish then besides punishing those that vet their dogs? What about large breeds who will no longer grow properly becasue they were neutered to young? Where will they get the time/manpower to enforce this? Who decides who can have a permit? What criteria must be met for a permit? I tried to get both Critter and Chili exempt from the mandatory shelter spay/neuter law for medical reasons and I was denied...and they had VERY GOOD MEDICAL reasons...they could have died, exemptions are bascially impossible to get.

there is a family in CA right NOW that has a dog that will DIE if they give it rabies vacs...the vet has Said so and the state is threatening them to seize and euth their dog because they wont get it the rabies vaccine.





genuine questions, Iam not trying to pick on you




I agree. 100%...but like I said, you can't FORCE the stupid away with fines and fixing. Punishment works with humans just like dogs, it only works when your watching...

also you must beware of the "exempt" and "permit" wording in laws...they are generally mostly for looks...I can go apply for a wildlife permit, or a concealed carry permit and guess what I cannot and will not ever get one...they put permits into laws to pacify people and then make them impossible to obtain.

One of my mentors helps rewrite alot of these animal laws (in the animal owners favor), I have been very involved in som' of them heavily, I can tell you, one word can change the whole enforcing of a law...simply changing the word "owner" to "guardian" can change everything legally.

do you have the actual text for the bill? I can't seem to find it. And I'd like to read it again, surely you've read it.

pawsitiveside

I don't see how it punishes anyone for taking their dog to the vet. It fines owners for not having their dog spayed or neutered and forces them to do so. That is not the same as punishing an owner for taking their dog to the vet.

I'm not stating that this law is perfect or without it's flaws, but I do believe it is a step in the right direction.

There are more animals that would benefit from this, then animals that would suffer. In the words of Spock, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Something HAS to be done about the overpopulation of pets in our shelters. There will be pros and cons to any law or notion that is proposed. That's the nature of the beast.

I know a couple of people who have permits to carry concealed weapons. One is a PI and the other is a Diamond dealer. You have to have a good reason to have the permits. They won't just hand them out to anybody.

Criosphynx

Good reasons are subjective Thats the problem.



Either way, we shall see. This doesn't affect me directly, Iam just playing devils advocate....

But I can tell you, from past experience with any sort of animal restricting laws....that animal surrender will increase, at least initially, when people panic, and they WILL panic. People will surrender animals over laws that haven't even passed yet! Many people would rather dump a dog than pay $50 (that they may or may not have) to alter it. Cats which hold little value to people are discarded that much easier.
Personally I think education is the answer Click/treat vs Do this or else.

I live in a dumping ground. I'll let you know how it goes.

animalcraker

So what are the requirements for a breeders permit if they won't just hand them out to anybody?

By the way if the my local ACO and animal shelter are supposed to be the ones enforcing these new laws then we're doomed.

Criosphynx

I found the bill and read it...I could find NOTHING about an exemption for anything but medical reasons. They are basically outlawing all breeding unless I missed som'thing very obvious...

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bil...ed_sen_v95.pdf

It does have revisions in it, perhaps its been amended? In its current state I appears to outlaw all unaltered dogs without a medical exemption, so basically, It appears there is no breeders permit.

ScentHound

Wow, no breeders permit listed.

Here you pay a fee, and open your house to inspection. You also need a breeder number to be able to legally sell your pups. (at least that is what I have been told.)

When I was breeding Parrots there were no requirements to that particular type of animal, but there are blanket laws that pertain to all animal to cover most situations. Although, laws only affect law abiding citizens.

Criosphynx

bill was defeated.

ScentHound

I wish someone would defeat my bills. THey keep showing up every month.