Purely positive training? ;)

Criosphynx

have you tried having the person 100% leave? I find that the ignoring/turning stuff will not work on Kiwi, and only works on Chili som'times...I found that walking away and closing the door got the message across FAST. That and asking for the behavior I want has really helped...I used to just wait for a sit and I would get it, but with alot of mess first...now I ask for the sit instead of waiting and they do better...its like they can't think of the right answer so you have to give them a hint LOL

Edit posted same time sorry!

fawkese1

well, i made a "house rule" that clover isn't allowed to just come up and nose you for attention, he must do something first. "sit" seems to come to people rather quickly so that was easy...now most of the time when he wants something he will walk up and sit perfectly and wait calmly...so it is becoming a sort of default for him (that was my goal) i cannot seem to convince my sis to ignore/turn away from/or just leave the room...i've sort of given up and i'm now just hoping that she will get frustrated and start listening to me...**knocks on wood** let's all hope...

you know, i should just start another thread about this i suppose

Criosphynx

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fawkese1

hey...i just used that as an example, you and mikey ran with it...lol...that was a team effort imo...

alfi

I am not a trainer so my experience is my dogs...you may consider this as a regular owner.

With my first dog when I started training I was using correction/fear/pain methods....which I must say it was the easiest way!! It is very easy to get angry of a behavior and yell at the dog or something or do something painful for the dog. I think the way I used these methods worked very well...BUT I wasn't ok with myself! After yelling at my dog and see her so afraid of my actions I was crying for what I did. Although I was able to correct her behavior with these methods I think (now) I was ruing the relationship!

At first I was trying to deal with it...but I couldn't be so harsh for my dog. I was asking myself "This cannot be the only way to train a dog...if it is I cannot handle with it. How can people do this all the time?" So I started changing my behavior without really knowing about PR methods...of course I was doing all things wrong at first and my real problem was THE RIGHT TIMING!

Anyway, I am not really a patient person so I wanted results NOW to be convinced that these methods work. I was really surprised with PR methods not because of quick results ...that didn't happened...but I saw a huge change in my dog. Liza as you know is a poodle...and very reactive to emotions, she catches all my emotions. With PR methods she was more calm with me more secure and our
relationship was heading to another level. I didn't had quick results cause she is a dog with no food or toy motivations so that made it really hard to use PR methods. But I loved her whole new behavior and how stable the training was and how happy she was. The fact that when she learned something with PR she was doing it every single time with a happy attitude was my biggest reward!! To see my dog so happy, and so devoted to me and seeing our relationship going to whole new level of understanding...was like heaven for me!!

I think that if people could see how their dogs would be trained with PR methods they would change their attitude.
And also, I have to say this, I was able to understand the difference because of Liza...if I had my rotties or the Mals I am pretty sure I would still have different opinions about it! IMO starting PR methods for a new owner without the experience of using these methods before on breeds like Mals, GSDs, Dobies, Rotties etc can be a really hard thing and maybe they finally abandon PR.
If I could make a point

wvasko

My opinion is that training can and should be balanced.

An amateur with his personal dog/dogs has something a professional does not have, "Time" So 100% positive is then not a problem.

Of course then sometimes I have to clean up the mess and aversives are used.

Mikey

Care to elaborate at all? That's pretty general

oliwa

I'm trying my best to implement as many positive reinforcers and as few positive punishers as I can, but there are some behaviors I want her to stop doing. The comments "a tired dog is a well behaved dog" or "prevent the situation from happening" or "remove the positive stimulus" is not always possible. I can see how getting Snickers to roll over with a clicker and treat works really well, but sometimes I think aversives are more practical. If Snickers always ran after the neighbor kids, the steps required to use PR methodology may not be practical, but using a whistle or air horn or something to say "STOP THAT!" is more realistic.

I know most of you think different, but keep in my I'm on month #3 and I'm a noob.

Corinthian

I find it is the other way around. The owner (specially a new or a Cesar fan) wants thing NOW. It is the pro or the experienced trainer that realizes some things take time

Mikey

Oliwa-while I don't think what your doing is necessarily bad-I think for looking at pr approaches to behavior like that-you need to think outside the box for solutions. They are there-but require creative solutions.

So for the dog running off to children-a pr method I would use is work harder on 'recall' and make coming to me a very positive thing-with treats and a fuss and all that jazz-until you can 'recall' your dog even when he's interested in going somewhere.
This solution takes more time then blowing a whistle and yelling at him-but imo I like it better