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Old 11-02-2009, 09:37 AM
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Unhappy New puppy play/train schedule

Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I've got a puppy who's coming on to 9 weeks old, and would like some help in figuring out how much to play/train in a day.

We've had a home visit from a puppy trainer, who's made me feel bad saying I 'probably don't do enough with him' and that's why he doesn't yet know recall and several other commands, and why he nips at people's toes.

We have told our children to stop playing when he chases them, play bites them, and to stand still with their arms crossed without running, flapping about, shouting and so on, when he does that.

I realise that a puppy is a big time commitment, and I am home all day except for various schoolruns/kids activities. I do not, however, want to spend every waking hour just doing puppy related things.

I play with him, and have started walking on leash training, and he is responding well. He is sitting consistantly well when told, except when over-excited. He is starting to learn recall, and even today started to bring back the toys I threw for him. He is quite well toilet trained, in 5 days that we've had him, he's only had one accident in the house. I try to give him free access to the garden, and go out there with him regularly, to encourage him to go and praise him when he does go.

My issue is, how much to play with him, so that he gets enough stimulation/training, but not so much that it becomes too much and he gets overtired and overexcited. I can see when he feels that way, cause suddenly he doesn't remember anything he's been taught and starts jumping up and playbiting. I stop playing then, but he still gets a bit wild around the house and garden. It is sometimes a bit hard to try and figure out, is he acting up because he is tired, or acting up because he needs more play?

If anyone could give me some idea of roughly how much active play and/or training I should give him in a day, that would be very helpful, as the trainer made me feel guilty, but at the same time there are other things to do in the day, and while I realise Charlie will need time and commitment, he isn't the only thing in my life.

Once he has completed his vaccinations, I will start taking him for walks, and again it would be helpful to know how much to start with and how to build up...

Another thing is about timing... Charlie obviously has his moments when he is lively, and the times when he is tired. He has his own doggy room in the house, with his crate/bed, and I put him in that room for meals, some games, and when I have to be away, so he can't harm himself with anything in the house or destroy things when I'm not there to keep him out of trouble.
First question is, when I put him there, he cries and whines. The trainer said to ignore it, which I'm quite okie with, but I wonder when he will get used to being put there without getting upset? I know they are pack animals and don't like to be alone, but no dog can be with their owner all the time. How long does it usually take for puppies to settle and be alright on their own whenever they are left?
Second question is (and that is the one about timing), I was ideally planning to get him to play and have an active time before I leave, so he feels more tired and less wanting to play when I have to leave him, and he could just sleep while I'm gone, but it never seems to work, he always seems to get tired at some point well before and fall asleep, obviously I don't want to overwhelm him by keeping him awake, but he is not so sleepy when I leave him. He has kong toys and chew toys to keep him busy.

Although I'm home a lot, my going outs are not routinely the same everyday, as my daughters finish school at staggered times and also have different activities on different days of the week, so it means I can't give him a regular 'every day is exactly the same' schedule, will that be fine with him, or will that upset him? For instance today I was home all morning, but the evening schoolrun will take a while, whereas tomorrow I'll have to be out a bit in the morning after the morning schoolrun, but the evening schoolrun will be much quicker. Is that going to confuse him, or will he be alright with me just coming and going as the day demands?

I'm feeling quite confused, talking to trainer, breeder, vet, as to what to do, and I'm starting to feel very stressed that every minute of the day is spent either being busy with Charlie or with him whining that I'm not busy with him, or with me just feeling plain worried and guilty about everything. Right now he is asleep, and I wish he wasn't cause the long schoolrun will come up while he's awake and alone...

Once he's had his vaccination, would the routine work better if, on long schoolruns, I took him along? Maybe he would then be kept busy with me, and be more tired when coming home, rather than whining and then totally desperate for a game and company as dinner and homework has to be done?

I had read so much before, and he is an easy pup as far as I can tell, he is my first dog, but I am feeling overwhelmed with things right now and if anyone has any advise that would be lovely. I hope to fall in a routine with Charlie, but just struggling to know what and how much is needed and how much is too much...

Sorry for such a long first post... I've had four kids and know what it's like to deal with 'small creatures' and how demanding it can be, but somehow with Charlie I feel a bit overwhelmed, and I don't know why cause as I said he seems like a very good pup, and I feel I should be overjoyed with him rather than constantly worried and overwhelmed.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:21 AM
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oh my welcome! we usually have people give too little info!

first off, you've had the dog five days and the trainer is scolding you? Red flag...you can start training very very young, but there is no way a 9 week old puppy is going to have solid commands in five days.

he should take about 6 weeks to settle in so don't expect to much from him (as far as predictability).

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which I'm quite okie with, but I wonder when he will get used to being put there without getting upset? I know they are pack animals and don't like to be alone, but no dog can be with their owner all the time. How long does it usually take for puppies to settle and be alright on their own whenever they are left?
the ignoring is only half the equation...you MUST reward him when he is quiet...I use food rewards, but som' people let the puppy out as a reward. So practice when you are home and after hes been quiet a while, say "good" (loud enough he can hear you, since you'll be in another room) and then apear with a reward. Then start over.

did you mention what breed he was and I missed it? You have pictures? we love puppy pictures.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:34 PM
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I realise that a puppy is a big time commitment, and I am home all day except for various schoolruns/kids activities.
That's WONDERFUL. Many people have a puppy when they work full time-so you are already ahead of the pack

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first off, you've had the dog five days and the trainer is scolding you? Red flag...you can start training very very young, but there is no way a 9 week old puppy is going to have solid commands in five days.
Totally totally totally AGREED-this is a little puppy and you've just brought him home-no need to have him ready to be a guide dog in five days. No need-and impossible

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I play with him, and have started walking on leash training, and he is responding well. He is sitting consistantly well when told, except when over-excited. He is starting to learn recall, and even today started to bring back the toys I threw for him. He is quite well toilet trained, in 5 days that we've had him, he's only had one accident in the house. I try to give him free access to the garden, and go out there with him regularly, to encourage him to go and praise him when he does go
You're doing wonderful-already recall ans sit? That's super, and potty training can be difficult-you obviously know what your doing


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Although I'm home a lot, my going outs are not routinely the same everyday, as my daughters finish school at staggered times and also have different activities on different days of the week, so it means I can't give him a regular 'every day is exactly the same' schedule, will that be fine with him, or will that upset him?
To be honest-and this may just be me-But I steer clear of routine at all involving any of my pets.
Seriously upsets an animal could be, when every day is the same thing- and one day it isn't. And you cannot, no matter who you are, have the same routine everyday...what happens is your sick, get held up somewhere like the bank, car breaks down...

So I never do routine-no routine feeding, no routine outings. Like we wanted to go to the dog park every day this summer, BUT we did not want Mikey getting used to that because how upset would he be one day when we can't take him?

So TBH I think not having everything perfectly routine is GOOD. And certain things can be more or less routine, like going out to pee in the am, going out for potty after eating.

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I was ideally planning to get him to play and have an active time before I leave, so he feels more tired and less wanting to play when I have to leave him, and he could just sleep while I'm gone, but it never seems to work, he always seems to get tired at some point well before and fall asleep, obviously I don't want to overwhelm him by keeping him awake, but he is not so sleepy when I leave him. He has kong toys and chew toys to keep him busy.
I think wearing him out before you go is a good idea. But I have to caution you a little-ensure you aren't 'play play play-leave' Have some time, a few minutes even after you end the game and before you walk out the door. You leaving can be a big negative punisher-ie. you leave, you took something away the dog likes...so if you do this immediately after a play session, this can lead to sepeartion anxiety.
Not to worry you-just ensure there is a few minutes between play and leave.

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Right now he is asleep, and I wish he wasn't cause the long schoolrun will come up while he's awake and alone...
Dogs will usually sleep when the 'pack' is at school/work...so I'm sure he'll adjsut to do this too.

I think your doing great already

Oh and I agree with Crio-we LOVE puppy pictures!!
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Finally got around to coming back on here and say thank you Criosphynx and Mikey for your replies... it was a relief to read that everything seemed fine and to get some advise and support...
Charlie is settling well and we are learning every day (both he and us, the humans), and getting along well... he's an easy dog, friendly and enthusiastic.
The most confusing thing is, never having had a dog before, knowing what to expect, what to do, what not to do, what is normal, what is not... we've done so much reading before getting him, that I think it all backfired as information overload and contradictions.
We've had another trainer visiting us, who was fantastic, and got so much out of him in a few hours, it was totally inspiring... she drew the calm side out of him and showed me how to do the same, and we are doing great. Mostly, Charlie seems happy...
Here are some pictures of him, I hope it's okie to post them in the message, pls someone let me know if that's not correct 'protocol'...







Again thanks for the help... I'm sure I'll be on here a lot reading up other people's stories and queries, and having a few of my own...
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Glad you all are doing well!

thats a GORGEOUS puppy...wow.
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He is SO adorable. I love his ears!
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that puppy is like a poster child puppy! omg...he is soo handsome! thank you for coming back and letting us know how things are going too.....it's nice to have an update....
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Aw, he's adorable!
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WOW that is a rich rich color! Beautiful dog!! Glad we helped a bit

Of course feel free to ask any questions you have-or just drop in to share stories or pictures
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