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Old 03-08-2010, 03:42 PM
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Introducing new dog to cats

Hi all, I'm from the Horse Forum, but I need some advice on our new doggie.

We got a dog yesterday. He's a 1 yr old, lab/pittie/jack russell. He's a little shy and can be a bit skitish, but is a nice calm boy with no bite in him.

We brought him home yesterday, and kept our three cats in the basement (their safe zone) and let the dog explore the house without being bothered by the cats.

Today, we put the dog in his makeshift room and put a baby gate up so that he could see and smell the cats, but not get to close to them. He doesn't seem to care much about the cats, just lays on his mat and chews his toys while the cats peer curiously at him. In fact he seems to be more afraid of them then they are of him.

They all are seeming to tolerate each other slowly. Except for one cat. If Bowie (dog) is close to the gate, Felix (cat) will stare at him intently, and kind of bait him. Bowie has snapped at him twice. He didn't lunge or try to jump the gate, he just snapped.

We would instantly tell him 'NO!' in a firm voice and remove the cat.

I honestly don't think he's being aggressive, just defensive because he's fearful. His tail is between his legs while this happens, and his hackles are not raised.

Our issue is because Bowie has had an abusive puppyhood and is pretty fearful, I don't want him to associate the cat with negativity. We obviously want to set the boundaries and let him know that the cats share the household and he cannot bother or chase them. Even though I'd NEVER hit him, a simple firm 'NO!' makes him cower with his tail between his legs.

Also, I'm worried that he won't get along with Felix ever. I know it's too early to tell, as we only just got him, but I still worry. His last foster had cats and he said he was fine with them. What would cause him to snap at Felix?

Am I approaching this right? Should I separate this particular cat from him and put the cat in another room? MOST importantly, am I overreacting.

For everything else that he gets scared of, we just ignore him. The dishwasher, the dryer, any sound of something dropping on the ground. We ignore his fearful antics and praise and treat him for relaxing and not reacting to things around him. But for this cat issue, I don't feel I can just let him snap and/or growl at the cat. Or should I just let him be?

So far we've fed him in his room on his side of the gate, and the other kitties on the other side. He eats his food, seems to have no food aggression and like I mentioned earlier, ignores the cats for the most part and seems to be more afraid of them then they are of him.
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Old 03-09-2010, 01:17 AM
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first, hi, and welcome to the forum... glad to have you join...

from your post it sounds like you are on the right track in some ways (the separation thing is great) and your comment on not wanting him to associate negative things with the cats is spot on! but this:
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Even though I'd NEVER hit him, a simple firm 'NO!' makes him cower with his tail between his legs.
if a firm "NO" has the reaction you are describing then for him it is very negative... and he will associate that with the cats...

in my experience a dog will go for a cat because of fear/insecurity or because he thinks it is prey (small animals that run away) in order to encourage him to feel secure around the cats, keep doing most of what you are doing, exposing them to each other in a controlled way, but definitely stop telling him "NO" like that... instead i would give him yummy treats and praise whenever the cats are around... lots and lots of yummy treats... i also wouldn't allow any unsupervised time together, and i would make sure that the cats have lots of escape routes just in case (cat trees, baby gates, even cat doors from room to room are great!) as far as the prey drive, if this turns out to be the case, there are things you can do to manage the behavior...

try not to do anything too intense either, he is soooo new, and you probably won't really know his personality for at least a couple weeks... go slow, especially with the intro, keep it positive, give him lots of outlets for his energy...

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For everything else that he gets scared of, we just ignore him. The dishwasher, the dryer, any sound of something dropping on the ground. We ignore his fearful antics and praise and treat him for relaxing and not reacting to things around him.
these aren't antics... he is new and scared, try for a moment to put yourself in his place... i'm not talking about imagining him with human emotions, i'm talking about you imagining yourself in his place... how scary would it be to find yourself in such a foreign environment, especially when you've come from abuse... he needs time and lots of slow intro to your world, his new world... he is thankfully letting you know that he is scared... not reacting to it too much is good, but don't ignore it or pass it off, this is great communication... use it
YouTube - Dog Training- How to train your dog not to bark- Episode 1

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But for this cat issue, I don't feel I can just let him snap and/or growl at the cat. Or should I just let him be?
you should not ignore this, but absolutely do not punish him for this! when you punish a dog for giving warning, all you do is take away the warning system... you actually want your dog to growl, it lets you know that he is scared/uncomfortable and is feeling like he may need to defend himself... use this info... desensitize him to the cats, give him yummy good stuff when they are near, and soon he will look forward to their presence...oh and the same works in reverse for the cats getting on with him...

anyway, hope this helps... oh yeah, do you have any pics?
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Thanks, fawkese1, for your kind advice!

I don't have pictures yet, but soon!
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... not reacting to it too much is good, but don't ignore it or pass it off, this is great communication... use it



I have to admit I'm a bit confused here. Specifically regarding a pet who shows visible signs of fear to everyday activities. If a puppy is clearly afraid of a dishwasher or clothes washer what should you do? I mean, you can't stop using the washer because the dog is afraid of it.

If the dog cowers in fear when you say "NO!" then you shouldn't say "NO!" to it...that's fine, but what if you use "NO!" to tell the cats to behave? If my cat is clawing away at the furniture I'm going to get on him. If the dog get's scared because of it...well, what the hell?

It's one thing to ease the dog into the new environment and it's another to cause the house to go into disorder due to an insecurity. How can you deal with this?
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Thanks, fawkese1, for your kind advice!

I don't have pictures yet, but soon!
you are welcome how are things going? can't wait to see your pics

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I have to admit I'm a bit confused here. Specifically regarding a pet who shows visible signs of fear to everyday activities. If a puppy is clearly afraid of a dishwasher or clothes washer what should you do? I mean, you can't stop using the washer because the dog is afraid of it.
i never suggested that anyone stop using the washer... i suggested that steps be taken to desensitize the dog to the things that he is afraid of... this video gives tips on how to do that...
YouTube - Dog Training- How to train your dog not to bark- Episode 1
i'm not certain what about this would be confusing?
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If the dog cowers in fear when you say "NO!" then you shouldn't say "NO!" to it...that's fine, but what if you use "NO!" to tell the cats to behave? If my cat is clawing away at the furniture I'm going to get on him. If the dog get's scared because of it...well, what the hell?
i would find another way to teach the cat not to claw the furniture... i myself spray bitter apple on the furniture and provide plenty of scratching posts, cat trees and those cardboard scratching toys, i rarely have to tell my cats "NO" for scratching the furniture because they rarely do so...
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It's one thing to ease the dog into the new environment and it's another to cause the house to go into disorder due to an insecurity. How can you deal with this?
i am confused at how any of my suggestions would cause a house to go into disorder? when you bring a dog into your home there is going to be a period of time for everyone to adjust. anyone who brings a dog into their home will have to accept that the dog will have needs, which they will need to meet and your household won't be exactly the same as it was before...that is part of having a dog. learning how to train and desensitize your dog will help you to deal with behavior issues... if you have any specific issues that you are dealing with, feel free to post and we can help you address them...
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Things have gotten better. Bowie and Felix are doing much better. No negative reactions from either of them - so far - fingers crossed. We've really tried to make a positive experience around the cats.. lots of treats (for both species!) as well as lots of pats all around and kind words. So far it's doing well. We still have some time before everyone adjusts, of course, but I think we're off to a good start.

Here is a picture I uploaded from Facebook...

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This is all I have for now! I hope it works!

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adorable! seriously soo cute! oh and i just remembered this little video that might help you out a bit ( tho it sounds like things are going well...)
YouTube - Jack Russell Terrier (JRT) Aggression When Blowing in Face | AskDrYin.com

this just talks a little about how counter conditioning works... might be useful to you in the future
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