free shaping the bucket... This is a discussion on free shaping the bucket... within the Dog Training forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Dogs category; o, I don't know if the video/audio is funny on this one too, I couldn't tell, but be careful about clicking to late. You will ...  
02-08-2010, 09:54 PM
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#11 | | Dog Forum Team Member
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o, I don't know if the video/audio is funny on this one too, I couldn't tell, but be careful about clicking to late. You will reward him disengaging the object so you end up with a chain of "touch...pull away....touch...pull away." very very very hard IMO to add duration after they get into that habit. Better to jump the gun and click early if its a behavior that will need duration. Make sense?
| that was totally me and not the video... my timing was really bad... and i also missed some really good clicks too! i think i started getting caught up in trying to see what he would do and sorta forgot to be on the ball with clicking if that makes sense...i will work on it  Quote: |
you would teach the behavior in reverse...starting with him lookin at the item. You would present the item and take it away after each rep. You would build on looks to touches, to rough touches, to mouthing, to holding, etc etc. Basically, each tiny step is very ingrained so the chances for the behavior to fall apart is very low.
| this is sorta what i was thinking for moving forward... doing some really short sessions and building until he is picking it up... starting with mouthing it, which he did a couple of times, and then to him mouthing the rope and so on...but i hadn't really broken it down into that many steps... (i click to slow and move to fast!  ) i'll definitely focus on smaller steps next session, and try to be more "on it"
i'll probably be asking for more input... 
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02-08-2010, 10:09 PM
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| LOL. I love the part where he sticks his head in and you click, and he sticks his head in further. He got it really well. I also love the "doggy thinking face". | |
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02-08-2010, 10:35 PM
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| thanks seebrown... his "doggy thinking face" is pretty darn cute, imho... | |
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02-08-2010, 10:59 PM
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| just re-read my post...sorry if it sounded critical.. those are just all things that I've done and they are frustrating, so I was hoping to save you som' grief
he did ofter a good range of behaviors, that was good to see | |
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02-08-2010, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Criosphynx  just re-read my post...sorry if it sounded critical.. those are just all things that I've done and they are frustrating, so I was hoping to save you som' grief
he did ofter a good range of behaviors, that was good to see | oh no, don't apologize! i was asking for criticism  and you were totally right on... i really do need to work on those things.... i hope my response didn't sound snippy?... i'm sorry if it did... but really totally i was being self-mocking, and i appreciate your input... i totally took it as honest observations... and i won't get better without it so thank you... | |
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02-08-2010, 11:07 PM
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| Oh good...no worries then
you should teach him to "hide" in the bucket. Putting his head inside all the way with duration LOL | |
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02-08-2010, 11:09 PM
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| he'd totally do that too! lol... what if i taught him to "kick the bucket"? that would be a good one too...
lol... my sister never thought i'd be so excited about that bucket when she bought it for me... | |
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02-08-2010, 11:17 PM
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| haha, i say "HIT IT!" and they karate chop it.
Iam teaching the "hide" right now...you would need a bucket for clovers noggin tho. Iam using a cup.
yeah, amazing what you can do with a bucket...
flip it over and have him stand on it? | |
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02-08-2010, 11:23 PM
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flip it over and have him stand on it?
| brilliant! | |
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02-10-2010, 01:00 AM
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| ok... so an update... we are progressing quite nicely...imo... we have now gotten to the point where he is going straight for the handle and putting his mouth on it, i'd say 95-99% of the time! yay! that was tonight, and he is sooo keen on this game, i can hardly get him to stop playing  seriously he gets all excited when he sees the bucket... it is really cute...
i have a vid from last night to upload, but i'm not sure how it turned out since we had some bloopers... and tonight, i forgot to record it! what a dork i am! anyway, i'm thinking that tomorrow's session we should have some actual lifting of the bucket, and i'll post video soon... | |
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