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Old 01-20-2013, 07:15 PM
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I have adopted a ACD/Terrior mix and have been trying to train her with basic commands, annd am having a difficult time. She chews everything, she barks obsessively, and cant get her to understand the recall(come) command. I refuse to give up, but dont know what to do.
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What have you tried so far?

What sort of training approach are you using?


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How old is your dog? How long tou have the dog? What kind of training have you tried? What kind of exercise does your dog get?
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There are "sticky posts" in the training and behavior sections. I would suggest that you read them [all] and id what you are doing wrong. That would allow us to help you better. They are really good starting points!

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I'm curious as to the exercise routine. ACD's are great dogs, but are super high energy and with little exercise can become neurotic! Chewing and barking are very common behavior problems with ACD's with lack of exercise. I second the idea of looking at the sticky posts, they are amazing, but training methods can only do so much if no exercise is involved.

Before working on recall, a dog must learn basic commands. I'd like to know what's you've tried.
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She is 1 1/2 years old, and I have had her for about 11 months. I take her on long walk/jog/runs in the morning and at night. About 3-4 miles both times. I have tried food training, clicker training, and toy rewards, she is acting very stubborn.
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I read "stubborn" and see it as a hiccup on the trainers' part and not the dogs'. It sounds like motivation could be a problem, but I'm more inclined to think she does not understand what or how you are asking her to do things.

Do you lure, shape, free capture???
What exactly are you having trouble training her to do?

Chewing--results from boredom and not having anything acceptable (and more enticing) to chew on. Try stuffed Kongs, treat dispensing toys, raw meaty bones. Also, more exercise, physical and mental, will cut down on the boredom. 7 mi a day might take the edge off some dogs, others not. I would focus more on the mental stimulation--games, training, puzzle/treat dispensing toys, a flirt pole, herding games.

Barking obsessively--again, boredom. She could also be reactive or have barrier frustration. Read that sticky.

Not understanding recall: what specifically have you done to try to teach this? Where? How often? What technique? (More specific than "clicker training")

We are happy to help... but just need more info.
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That's not enough, I hate to say it. Long walks, and runs are nice. But with high energy its not enough. Dogs need more stimulation. Guinness (my dog) is a herding mix and she needs daily exercise like running and walking, but it's not nearly enough. She also likes playing fetch and also, mind games. Mind games are great to get a dog somewhat tired out for training. We normally get Guinness thinking before training,. We play games like hide and seek, and find it...there is a mental stimulation thread where you can learn some mental games for your dog.

How did you go about the clicker training, and what treat did you use? I found in the beginning that Guinness's response to treats really depend on the treat...when we first started, she would do okay for a few minutes when we used regular dog treats, but then would get bored and it was over.

Best thing we did was :
1. Keep the training sessions short. Your dog won't learn everything in one session . Break them up. 5-10 minute sessions, depending on how many sessions you do a day. Guinness and I do them around twice a day.

2. Get a nice good smelly treat! Lunch meat, cheese, other meats...Guinness would fly if she could.

3. Mind games! Work on hide and go seek, or others you may find. Make it fun. Don't make training sessions like work. Make them fun.

4. Praise is great! I always try to never point out what Guinness is doing wrong, but praise her for what she's doing right.

If you haven't already, I suggest checking into Kikopup on youtube, many here can vouch that she is incredible and wonderful for anything you may be struggling with.

Good luck.
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Would that terrier half happen to be a Jack Russel Terrier? If so you have a mix of two extremely high energy dogs and on top of it you probably have a terriers independent streak mixed in.


To burn off energy in addition to the walk and run try biking with her, remember a humans running pace is a dogs trotting pace and most dogs can trot for hours. You can also make or buy a flirt pole (toy attached to a rope and stick) and get her to chase it.

The trick to training terriers is to make what you want them to do what they want to do. Terriers are smart but they are also very independent, and from what I understand ACDs are highly intelligent, so your dog can probably be trained to obey lots of different commands, the trick will be finding what he's willing to work for. In my terriers case he is highly food motivated, but he was so hyper that I had to be careful to not make the food reward so good that he'd only focus on that and not on me.

What does your dog like? Food, toys, praise are all some things dogs will work for. Figure out which he likes then save it for training sessions. If he likes food, find something he really likes that he only gets when training, same with a toy.

You can also make what he wants to do work for you. My terrier would sit at corners, he learned that was the way to get me to keep walking. He would sit and wait for his dinner because he learned that was how he got me to put the food down.
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