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Old 04-20-2010, 01:03 PM
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Recall training a stubborn dog?

My girl Callie is very well behaved. She's trained with basic obedience (sit, down, walks beside me on leash, heels[on leash though], etc.) The only issue I have is that if there's something she's interested in... there's NO WAY she's coming when called. For example:
Last weekend we took my girls camping at our roommates farm. His brother lives there and has two GSD's. The male is fine, but the female was VERY territorial and DA. Callie, being the bad @$$ that she is , decided that she'd rather "attack" a dog that was about... 50lbs heavier than her instead of coming to me. UGH. Thankfully, nothing happened: it turned out that the dog had been abused and that all you had to do was yell at her.

Anyhow, I've realized that I need to DEFINITELY work on her recall, but I'm not sure I know how to do it... I have a 20ft training lead, and I know that Callie will do anything for a peice of hotdog, but I'm unsure of how I should go about teaching recall. Any advice would be greatly appriciated!

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its basically, just like you taught the other behaviors...get them inside the house first, with no distraction, solid, then move on to the yard, and then once your solid in the yard...move on to perhaps a field, at this point you want her to be on the long line.

If at any point she blows you off, you know you've gone to far to fast, work on the criteria separately, if you increase distraction, go easy on distance, if you increase duration, decrease distration, etc etc...this takes a while to get solid, since there are sooo many things to proof for, but prevention is the main key, every single time she fails, you've added more training, so leave the long line on for quite a while....

but basically reward her when she complies, and if she doesn't back up a step until she does
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I start all dogs with a 6 ft lead, the dog is on a sit stay. I am 3 to 5 ft in front of dog. I use dog's name and come. then I will run a few steps back holding lead and acting silly squealing, clapping hands, whatever noise I can make to make dog think there is something very weird and interesting/exciting happening by me. I may at 1st run only 3 or 4 ft and gradually extend distance. What I am looking for is the dog to just follow me. When I come to a stop I will have dog sit in front of me any where it wants as it's not storm trooper sit straight thing (I will adjust that later) I want no pressure to sit straight on dog as it defeats the come program. Anywhere from 10 to 25 of these and I will put dog on sit stay and drop lead and walk off the same 4 to 6 ft in front of dog.

Now is step #2 if I have developed the happy come to me as I'm running backwards "while holding lead pattern" correctly, with dropped lead I go through the dog's name and then come command and all the same type silly stuff I did with the on lead pattern. One difference, now when dog comes and 95% of them do when I stop and give sit command the second dog's butt hits the ground the/she gets a bodacious treat.

I now gradually increase distance from dog from 3 ft to 60 ft and I am then ready to work outside bldg.

There are many ways to teach recall, this is just the one I start mine with. My training time is limited as I only keep dogs 30 to 45 days only.
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A few tips that will work

1) Practice practice practice-call her ALL the time-and always have treats.
2) Again-but in the house with other partners (they call, treat her, you call, treat her etc)
2)Again but in the yard with partners

Next some things about recall

1) NEVER call your dog to punish them, to only take them home from a walk or in a bad voice/tone
2) Never call your dog and walk towards them-this by body language initates chase
3) Call your dog, bend down and turn away-and clap. Even a dog who does not know how to come-will come. You are via body language initiating your dog to chase you-not to run away.

Also-if your dog comes normally but not when sniffing something or chasing something:
First-Yell in a firm voice 'NAME_NO!!!" then in a nice sing-song voice 'Name-Come!!!" and your dog WILL come-trust me. Mikey almost had a LIVE mouse tonight. He's very very very prey drivey and he had this guy cornered. Both Dave and I yelled 'Mikey NO!' and then turned and ran calling 'Mikey come' and he did. This is how we also got him to cease chasing moose and coyotes-pretty irresistable stuff for dogs. Body language is key. Also key is not just saying their name-give them a firm 'no' then call them as you would and start going away from them. They'll come!
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Thanks for all of your advice! I had an idea, but now I know how to go about it.
Wvasko, have I seen you on Dogforums.com? your name looks familiar.
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haha, there are quite a few DFs refugees here (myself included)
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So I've noticed. The only reason I came here was because DF's wouldn't load, which just baffles me. I really liked that site... but hopefully this forum will grow to be as diverse.
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Thanks for all of your advice! I had an idea, but now I know how to go about it.
Wvasko, have I seen you on Dogforums.com? your name looks familiar.
(my username is marsha=whitie)
Yes, I had troubles yesterday morning getting on DF, but I check here once or twice daily anyway.
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very useful thread! I have to start this soon. However, I tried to leave him with a long leash (8 mts) outside in the park and call him back. He usually doesn't yet, but as soon as I turn my back at him and walk away he runs to me. So I think he'll catch up very fast.
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I'm scared to death I'm going to lose Radar before he gets the Recall down. He's so fast, and such a runner. He's zipped outside three or four times already on all of us, so no one can point the finger at anyone else. We've always managed to get him back, but we're just waiting for the day that we don't.

I need him to stop and come when he's in a full all out dash for whereever it is he's trying to get to.

I'll sure be trying the suggestions in here. Thanks! And good luck Callie!
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