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Old 08-26-2013, 05:58 PM
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Unhappy Potty issues with our new 5 yr old dog

Hello. I'm hoping you can offer some advice because we are seriously at the end of our rope here. We adopted a 5 yr old dashund about a month ago. He has never pooped in the house. However, he pees in the house. We will have a few good days and then mess after mess, even if we just had him out. He will not alert at all to go out, so we take him out every 3 - 4 hrs. He will alert however for food, to play etc. It just semms like he has an attitude about it that he will do what he wants. We never catch him. I'm ready to give up. I can not handle an unbroken dog.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:41 PM
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You sound very frustrated. It's hard when reality doesn't meet expectations and I'm sure you never expected to deal with house training a 5-year-old dog.

It's great that you're taking him out regularly!

Has he been checked by a vet? A UTI is a common reason that trained dogs eliminate in the house. There are other medical causes, as well. No amount of training will help if the cause is medical.

If he's healthy, then you'll need to limit his freedom and prevent accidents. He'll need to stay within your sight so that you can take him out the moment he looks like he's going to go. Use ex-pens, baby gates, or a leash to keep him near you. When he eliminates outside, give him tons of reinforcement - treats, toys, pets, whatever he likes best.

Make sure you clean any areas where he's gone with an enzymatic cleaner like Nature's Miracle to eliminate any lingering odor.

Some dogs don't signal when they need to go out. The key is to get them accustomed to a reasonable schedule after they've been fully trained.

How much do you know about his background? It's possible he was never reliably house trained. It's also possible that he was punished for inappropriate elimination and that is why he won't go in front of you.

Assuming there is no medical explanation, I would treat him like a young puppy. Keep him near by to prevent accidents, take him out on a consistent schedule, and reinforce for doing the right thing.
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Our little rescue was not house broken either. It takes months and lots of patience, but it is sooooooooo rewarding when they "get it"!!!

You will need to pay very close attention to any little signal she is giving you that she needs to go and praise her as you let her out! This will teach her that this is what you'd like her to do!

You will need to never yell at the dog for eliminating, just quietly clean it up. What I have done sometimes is to bring the paper towel outside, lay it on the grass and then praise her!

Anytime you take her for a walk and she eliminates, praise, praise, praise!!! You won't need to do it so much anymore once she is trained!
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Hello. I'm hoping you can offer some advice because we are seriously at the end of our rope here. We adopted a 5 yr old dashund about a month ago. He has never pooped in the house. However, he pees in the house. We will have a few good days and then mess after mess, even if we just had him out. He will not alert at all to go out, so we take him out every 3 - 4 hrs. He will alert however for food, to play etc. It just semms like he has an attitude about it that he will do what he wants. We never catch him. I'm ready to give up. I can not handle an unbroken dog.
You are going to have to not give him ANY freedom in the house unless you are positive that he doesn't have to potty, the more you allow him to have accidents in the house the stronger the habit of potting indoors will get. You are also going to have to go back to housetraining 101 with him, this thread, http://www.dogforum.com/housebreakin...-how-tos-2135/ , has lots of tips on how to housebreak him.

Whenever you are letting him have freedom in the house you have to watch him like a hawk, if you suspect that he has to go then don't wait and see if he'll alert you, simply take him outside to potty.

To stop his peeing outside then coming in and peeing again you are going to need to keep him outside after he potties the first time, I usually recommend around 10 more minutes, to make sure he's finished going. If that isn't working, or you just don't want to wait that long outside to see if he goes again so you can treat and praise him, the other thing you can do is take him out, let him potty, bring him back in and put him in his crate or tether him to you then bring him back out in around 5 minutes.
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Assuming you get him vet checked first...

Start over, treat him like a puppy, follow the directions Rain linked you to.

You never catch him because all he has learned from being caught is that it is unsafe to pee in your presence. He has not learned the "inside vs outside" distinction. So quit with the cathing-and-correcting game. It does not work. You need to start over again and teach him where you want him to go.

Again, do the whole routine like he is a puppy, with the linked directions.
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Thanks for the response. I have a wellness check appointment. I know nothing about his background at all. But the fact that he poops outside only leads me to believe thier has been house training to some extent. Maybe not completed tho.

We don't make a big deal of it when we find the mess because after the fact he wont know why we are mad at him. We leave his water down all day and put it up at night. Maybe I need to restrict it, but I don't like doing that. When your thirsty, your thirsty.

I work for the school and school starts this week, so I am sad that we did not make more progress before having to leave him alone. I may have to find day care for him.

I clean each spot with a mixture of vinegar, hydrogen peroxide, dish soap and baking soda, something I got off line. It must work because he has never used the same spot twice, just new spots... everywhere.
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Everyone else has already given very good advice, but I just wanted to emphasize the benefits of using a crate to completely housebreak your dog.

I know this is in the link that Rain shared, but I can't stress enough how much it helped me. I got my dog when she was 2-3 years old and also knew nothing about her history. She never pooped in the house either. I do think some of her peeing in the house was anxiety driven (she always did it when I left her alone, but she would also go into another room and pee when I was home), but I also now know a lot of it had to do with her not being completely housebroken.

I was not big on the idea of the crate at first, but it really changed my life. I finally broke down after cleaning up like the 100th pee puddle in my room. For me, it not only helped with housebreaking her, but also with her anxiety.

Unless he has fears that are directly associate with the crate/confinement, you should be able to acclimate him to the crate in a week. When school starts again, would you be able to come home at lunch or have someone else take him out midday (crating continuously for long periods of time isn't fair to the dog)?

It took a while for Honey (but I do think a lot of it had to do with anxiety), but she is completely housebroken now.
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Thanks for the response. I have a wellness check appointment. I know nothing about his background at all. But the fact that he poops outside only leads me to believe thier has been house training to some extent. Maybe not completed tho.

We don't make a big deal of it when we find the mess because after the fact he wont know why we are mad at him. We leave his water down all day and put it up at night. Maybe I need to restrict it, but I don't like doing that. When your thirsty, your thirsty.

I work for the school and school starts this week, so I am sad that we did not make more progress before having to leave him alone. I may have to find day care for him.

I clean each spot with a mixture of vinegar, hydrogen peroxide, dish soap and baking soda, something I got off line. It must work because he has never used the same spot twice, just new spots... everywhere.

Again that's all good stuff, but you are still missing the main point that you need to start again like he is a puppy and retrain him. Do not limit his water... That is not a good idea. Read the link Rain provided and follow those directions carefully.

House training is a specific protocol. What you are doing now is hit or miss and it is why you are having troubles. Read the link.
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The main thing people do not realize about house training is to a dog or puppy it is not a sudden revelation or understanding. Instead it is all about habit formation.m this is why house training is all about managing the dog so accidents are prevented and the right pattern is practiced. Corrections do not work. Practice works. So to the extent the dog is having accidents, he is learning the wrong habits.
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Being a male, he could be marking but that is also a house training issue so needs to be trained in the same way as suggested.
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