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Old 07-05-2013, 03:42 PM
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This is a huge step in training for not only the dog, but for you. Looking forward to and enjoying working with your dog is such an important thing when it comes to training that a lot of people look over. Good job! Keep things short and sweet, if you start to get frustrated or your dog becomes distracted, take a break and come back to it later.
Yes, that's true, I am so glad to go to bed sometimes, because I can start training my dog the next day, I really enjoy it
short and sweet; that's true, the shorter and the more clear it is for the dog to understand the easier for her.
Example: I did a new game with my dog in the backyard several weeks ago.
She had to pick up some toys that I threw around and she had to place them in 1 basket, then she would get a treat.
After only 3 minutes she got that hang of it, because it was so easy to explain
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I've been following your posts, but don't have any actual advice. I do want to say how wonderful it is that you're committed to working with your dog in a positive manner and that you've really listened to the experts here. Good luck with her!
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I did the training game of putting a treat on the ground, and giving treat when she gives in, when I would pull slightly.

First minute she would keep pulling to the treat, wich is a good start and enough interest.
After only 10 times, she really gave in the first 0.001 second I would add some pressure.
I am very glad that those little games are so easy to teach and that my dog is smart enough to understand it after a couple of tries.

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How do you guys train your dog, when your dog gets lots of attention and treats?
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Went to my backyard to practice, then to the front.
She was doing a great job, then I walked on the street, and I know from where she starts being scared. Only a small 100 meters from our house.

When I turn around from that point, if I would let her, she would pull straight to our home.

I don't know how to be a good teacher in this without the leash correction.
How can I be a good teacher?
How can my dog be more confident?

I'm going to do this 2-3 times a day.

What I forgot to say, clipped my dog her nails, she had a little bit of pain in one of her nails.
Sometimes she would bite a bit, no pressure just teeth on my arm, used clicker and peanuts.
Eventually, after some encouraging, I finished.

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Just had a talk with my family, they don't believe that my dog ever will be without the fear of strangers, dogs or being of our property.
I feel very discouraged with the fact that I don't see results.
Also a behaviorist isn't going to help me, I know pretty much everything I need to know.
Will my dog ever be a normal dog to others?

My dog is the last days very stressed, barking (louder than normal) to the neighbour and his dog.

I don't believe I am capable of changing the dog.
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Behavior adjustment training takes time, you might not see results for awhile, but every day you work with her she's changing. Right now it seems hard, maybe even impossible, but if you keep working at it one of these days somebody is going to walk passed and she won't react the same way she did before and you'll know that you made that possible.

Try using something softer like cheese or hot dog for treats and dice them into small pieces (like this). Smelly treats work a lot better than hard treats like peanuts, trust me.

You have to be confident before you can expect your dog to be. Before you work on her reactivity, work on something you guys are good at. You said you play a game where she puts her toys away in a bucket? Try playing that game first. Do a few exercises she knows well to build confidence in not only you, but in her. When she does something she knows, act like it was the best trick you've ever seen her do, pet her and give her a treat. If she's wagging her tail, you've done something right for the day.

The way you walk without leash corrections is rewarding her for walking on a loose leash rather than a taunt one. You can try turning around and when she walks up, click and treat. The minute the leash loosens, click and treat.

Here, watch these videos and try the exercises out some time, they will probably help you:

I know it seems like I watch kikopup a lot, but she's one of the best youtube clicker training channels out there. She's very calm and clear with her instructions and works with a variety of dogs.
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WOW thanks! Will keep working on it.
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I did the training game of putting a treat on the ground, and giving treat when she gives in, when I would pull slightly.

First minute she would keep pulling to the treat, wich is a good start and enough interest.
After only 10 times, she really gave in the first 0.001 second I would add some pressure.
I am very glad that those little games are so easy to teach and that my dog is smart enough to understand it after a couple of tries.

Question:
How do you guys train your dog, when your dog gets lots of attention and treats?

I'm so glad that she's doing well with the training

I do clicker training with my boy, he gets treats and praise.

Shadow is 17 1/2 years old, he's blind, and getting a bit senile. He tends to get anxious and nervous pretty quickly, so it's very important for me to be calm, gentle, and happy when I interact with him. He's more willing to try to do stuff when I'm that way, if I get frustrated or upset with him, and keep trying to work with him I can quickly see that he starts to get anxious and scared. When I shower praise on him, "Oh you're such a good boy! Look at that good boy. That's mama's baby boy, and he's such a good boy! Yay Shadow!" , and all that while I'm giving him treats or pets (I used to also do quick play sessions but he doesn't play anymore.), he's happy to try something.

One of the things he still loves to do and will get excited about is clicker training. He loves our training sessions.
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Just had a talk with my family, they don't believe that my dog ever will be without the fear of strangers, dogs or being of our property.
I feel very discouraged with the fact that I don't see results.
Also a behaviorist isn't going to help me, I know pretty much everything I need to know.
Will my dog ever be a normal dog to others?

My dog is the last days very stressed, barking (louder than normal) to the neighbour and his dog.

I don't believe I am capable of changing the dog.

She may always be wary of strangers and prefer to keep her distance, that's just the way some dogs are and there's nothing wrong with it. You can teach her how to react, that the stranger is nothing to be panicked about, that she can go to her mat, or place in the yard, and sit back and just watch. Once she learns that, and she learns that strangers can be the source of good things happening to her, she'll stop reacting aggressively.

If you have a video camera try and film how she's doing once, or maybe a couple times, a week. Show how she's doing, how far she can go on walks, how much she's pulling, what tricks she can do, how she's doing with strangers. If you don't have a camera you can write it down. Then you can go back and watch them and see exactly how far she's come from when you started working with her. It'll help when you're having a bad week, or something happens to set her back a bit, to be able to look back and see how much y'all have actually accomplished. It'll also help to have your family be able to see how far she's come.

What a behaviorist can do is show you what you may be doing wrong. When Shadow was a pup I had head knowledge about how to train him. I knew how to get him to sit, I knew how to get him to lay down, how to come, etc. What I didn't know is what I was doing wrong when I was trying to teach him, and that's what a behaviorist/trainer was able to teach me. She helped me to communicate with him better.
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Just had a talk with my family, they don't believe that my dog ever will be without the fear of strangers, dogs or being of our property.
I feel very discouraged with the fact that I don't see results.
Also a behaviorist isn't going to help me, I know pretty much everything I need to know.
Will my dog ever be a normal dog to others?

My dog is the last days very stressed, barking (louder than normal) to the neighbour and his dog.

I don't believe I am capable of changing the dog.
A (good, certified) behaviorist has extensive knowledge of a variety of training and behavior modification techniques and significant experience often dealing with some of the most difficult situations. Additionally, they can have advanced degrees in psychology, learning theory, animal behavior, or other related areas.

I understand that it may be difficult for you to find a behaviorist in your area, but I don't think you should discount their ability to help.
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