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Old 08-16-2011, 01:09 AM
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Help Dog pees around house. He KNOWS its bad.

My problem a bit different I think and I just dont know how to fix it. I hope in explaining in how my dog is like it be easier to recommend a solution for me. First off my dog is 8 years old hes a cockerspaniel with chihuahua mix. He has a lot of energy, friendly and always running around most of the time even being 8 years old. Hes also quite smart and mischievous. He had an issue he would sneak on top of the dinner table and make a mess when no one is home or nobody is within the vicinity. One time I was walking upstairs my dog accompanied me to the stairs then turned around heading to the kitchen knowing im going upstairs and I hear a racket. I snuck down stairs and caught him on the dinner table and he looked at me and froze. I threw him off and yes kicked him and yelled at him and he never did it again. He has another issue(still current) of sneakily sleeping on the couch at night. When my mom goes to work every morning as soon as he hears the door open upstairs he sneaks off the couch quietly and goes to the other side of the house and as my mom gets downstairs he pretends to greet my mom as hes coming from a different area/direction other side of the house. He does this all the time and thinks we are stupid. He knows we get mad when he sleeps on the couch. He gets scared when we catch eyesight of him sleeping on it and dashes to his cage even before we say a word when we do catch him on it. Now the biggest issue we have with my dog is he pees all over the place. Its been bad for 2 years. In those two years we have NEVER witnessed him pee. He does it behind our backs while we are in the house. I had a group of friends over one time we were down stairs I went upstairs to grab something my dog snuck in the shadows of a hallway in easy sight of my friends and peed. My friends told me they saw him pee. So I am assuming my dog doesnt care unless someone in the family sees him pee. Now we always get mad at him and send him to his cage and lock him up when he pees. He KNOWS what hes doing is bad. When I see a puddle of pee I stand by it. My dog will look at me then put his ears down and slowly go to his cage, I dont even have to say anything. Ive tried yelling/raising voice, physically slapping his behind quite hard too. To no avail hes still pee anyway. Its come to the point where I dont even get mad anymore and just accepted hes gonna pee around the house for the rest of his life. I think its why its a bit worse in recent months than before because we gave up the fight against him. However now my mom is getting fed up with my dog and she is telling me to either fix the problem or he lives outside the house. Problem is my dog has lived inside for 8 years it doesnt register in his mind that he has to live outside. he goes psycho loosing his marbles when we deny him inside the house for even 2 minutes! I want to find a solution and fix his peeing problem so he can still live in the house. Also my dog is not neutered. I am willing to neuter him but not for the sake if his personality or something is going to change. Despite him being annoying I like him being energetic all over the place 24/7 even when we are sleeping. Will neutering him make him less hyper? If it doesnt affect his energy level hyperness. I am willing to neuter if it will help with the peeing problem at all. Thanks for reading hope theres some kind of solution out there for my dog.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:28 AM
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Your dog is NOT house trained. This is not an issue of "knowing its bad" to pee in the house.

Let me be totally clear. He does NOT know its bad to GO IN THE HOUSE.
He KNOWS IT IS BAD TO GO IN FRONT OF YOU!!!

Because he has been punished for pottying, he has learned that the only safe thing to do is to sneak away and potty while no one is looking.

HE HAS NO IDEA THE PUNISHMENT WAS FOR POTTYING INSIDE!!!!
He thought the punishment was for pottying while you watched.

This is a very classic case of house training failure because the owners did not realize that the dog was learning a very different lesson from the punishment than they intended to teach him.

Do you understand?

You need to get this distinction because it is also at the root of all your other training issues.

PUNISHMENT BASED TRAINING FREQUENTLY BACKFIRES. You are seeing this in multiple ways with this dog.

Hang out here with an open mind and we can help you, but you need to be willing to try something totally new.
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Old 08-16-2011, 07:48 AM
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He KNOWS what hes doing is bad. When I see a puddle of pee I stand by it. My dog will look at me then put his ears down and slowly go to his cage, I dont even have to say anything.
All he is doing is sensing the hard stare down and your emotional state. "When Mom/dad stands next to my potty they are angry. How do I avoid getting hit... um um um lets try the crate that always makes them happy"

ditch the idea that your dog is actively thinking about how to make you mad. really think about that. Dogs don't possess complex thoughts like "I want to make mum or dad mad now, lets pee behind the couch!" thats just ridiculous.

Go back and pretend your dog is a innocent little puppy(which it is).

** Start by taking the dog out at least ever 30- 1hr, after water, after food, after a nap, after a hard play, after a long sit. Revolve around taking that dog out. PREVENT the accidents. If a dog is peeing in the house, its the owners fault or a medical condition.

When you take the dog out. No play, no interaction, just straight to the potty spot and wait. When the dog does its business, LAVISH him with praise! Give a cookie, tell him hes the best dog EVER.

rinse and repeat...(back to **)

when you see the dog pee in the house, this is ACTUAL visual conformation. SCOOP him up and take him to his potty spot, no words, no punishment, just straight to the potty spot in the yard. **

When you DONT see him pee and he has peed in the house, shame on you, for not watching close enough. ** take him out AGAIN just for good measure.

as tess always says...
PREVENTION PREVENTION PREVENTION!

This dog needs consistency and a routine and to NEVER EVER EVER be hit again. Stop hitting your dog and train him to go outside.


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I am willing to neuter him but not for the sake if his personality or something is going to change. Despite him being annoying I like him being energetic all over the place 24/7 even when we are sleeping. Will neutering him make him less hyper? If it doesnt affect his energy level hyperness. I am willing to neuter if it will help with the peeing problem at all. Thanks for reading hope theres some kind of solution out there for my dog.
Neutering him would be a good idea. Its not going to change his personality one bit.

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inner table and make a mess when no one is home or nobody is within the vicinity. One time I was walking upstairs my dog accompanied me to the stairs then turned around heading to the kitchen knowing im going upstairs and I hear a racket. I snuck down stairs and caught him on the dinner table and he looked at me and froze. I threw him off and yes kicked him and yelled at him and he never did it again.
This is animal abuse. THERE IS NO REASON THAT YOUR DOG NEEDED TO BE KICKED.

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Old 08-16-2011, 09:59 AM
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WOW Thanks for the responses that gives me a totally new outlook. I forgot to mention that he doesnt pee ONLY in the house he will(everyday) from time to time scratch the backyard door or whine at us for us to open the door to the back yard(he sometimes comes upstairs stretches his legs on me, to tell me he want to pee outside) I bring him out then he walks out then looks at me and I always have to point to the yard and say go pee before he even decides to pee. He is always looking for confirmation from me to go pee before he goes does his business although with my other family members he doesnt look for a confirmation and just goes anyway to do his business. I never understood this. ANOTHER thing! When he goes to pee outside sometimes he only trickles a few drips in different areas and comes back in the house and I know thats NOT all of his pee! He his saving it for in the house! Many occasions we let him out to pee and an hour or so later we find a fresh puddle of pee that wasnt there before.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:08 AM
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Also how would you explain case this if its not mischievous? My dog likes to chew toilet paper. Whenever we forget and leave the bathroom door open he slowly sneaks in and and I see him do it sometimes. Hes in the bathroom and comes out with a roll of toilet paper and chews it out. I simply watch him from a distance then my dog makes eye contact with me and runs away the moment I make eye contact. Other times when he sneaks in the bathroom I turn on the light(before he commits the crime) he turns around slowly with his head looking at the floor and crawls out of the bathroom. In some cases when he does something wrong hell crawl slowly to me and rub his head against my leg looking at the floor.
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You need to stop waiting for him to tell you he needs to go out and take the initiative to let the dog out. REWARD that poor dog with cookies and praise for EVERY SINGLE DROP he does outside.

STOP THINKING YOUR DOGS OUT TO GET YOU! HES NOT! you need to watch him at all times, pretend hes a puppy. Get a leash and tie him to you. Don't let him out of his sight.

If you want to fix this your going to have to work at it.
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Your dog associates you with punishment. The slinking/crawling "sneaky look" is all him trying to be small, and unthreatening because he has learned that when you are around certain things - a puddle of pee indoors, or shredded toilet paper - you become aggressive. He does not know that it is wrong to shred the paper. He knows that when YOU see him shredding the paper, or when you find a pile of shredded paper, he gets yelled at, hit, etc. He does not make the connection. He can shred TP without you around and it's a wonderful thing for him! Only when you are around is it scary.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:32 AM
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I also forgot to mention something again sorry. I am the ONLY one that hits him IF ever. No one else does. They just get mad and lecture him with serious tone voice. I havent hit my dog in months maybe even years. Ive only kicked him once about 5 years ago and I was still in highschool 10th grade when I did that. Nowadays when my dog does something bad my mom just yells really loud and he runs away under me or behind me for cover. Another thing my dog likes candy wrappers when my sister or mom try to take it from his mouth he growls then my sister asks me to help and the moment he sees me walking over he drops it from his mouth. I always find that funny everytime. lol Also if hes not mischievous how do you explain that he sneaks off the couch briskly and pretends to walk from a different area in the house to greet my mom when she comes downstairs in the morning. When I mean greet I mean hell go up to my mom and put his paws on her legs. He does it to everyone when we come back from places too. He has to greet us all with his paws its a habit i guess he has. but yes how do you explain him getting off the couch if dogs cant be mischievous?
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^ for response about rewards. we used to reward him for going to the cage. hes now learned to go the the cage but if we dont give him a reward for going to the cage he will bark and whine so we always have to give him a reward. sometimes when we say go to the cage he will go to the food cupboard waiting for us to pull out a reward. other times hell go to the cage and wait for us to get a reward. nontheless he wont pipe down unless we give him something everytime he goes to the cage. if i give him rewards for going to pee i dont want him to expect a reward after hes learned to pee outside?
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Yelling is indeed harsh punishment to many dogs. His reaction tells you all you need to know!

Go here, and learn a better way to communicate what you WANT your dog to do, rather than making him figure out what won't get him punished.

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