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Old 08-16-2013, 09:59 AM
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Halti Harness?

Just wondering if anyone has any experience of a halti non pull harness?
Our JRT x Pug is doing really well with lead training but for the first 5 minutes she always pulls quite a lot as she is still quite impulsive. Doesn't sound like she could pull that much but she has the bulk and muscle of a pug and the energy of a pug!
Does this harness actually make a difference? She isn't a problem dog as far as jumping up or pulling usually but this does happen occasionally, so I'm not sure whether to spend the money.
Either way we are continuing to train her every day so this wouldn't be a substitute for training, just may protect my poor arms for the first 5 mins lol.
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I haven't tried the halti ones but the freedom harness helps Koda remember to not pull so that I can be a little less diligent on the training on days where I'm feeling super off. As you said it's not a substitute for training but I find that one does help.
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She should really be wearing a harness anyway. It's recommended for all pugs and pug mixes because of their snout and eye shape.
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I did talk to our vet about it and he said she would be fine on a collar but I will definitely do some more looking into this as obviously I don't want any harm to come to her.
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Most dogs are probably fine on just a collar as long as they're being worked with and kept an eye on so that they don't get overexcited and hurt themselves, imo.

I personally live in the city and have seen a dog break it's collar and get hit by a car, and Koda has broken hers twice if I was attached to it (she was great and stayed with me, didn't even notice) so I like the harness because the probability of that is much lower, plus she keeps her tags if it does break.
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I used the Halti on both of my dogs and it worked wonders. In Fact I still carry Roxie's Gentle leader with me if we are going to a new place just in case I need her to focus more. They do come with a learning curve. It's like halter breaking a horse. They aren't going to like it, they thrash around and try to bat it off their faces. You have to be persistant with it.

With a pug mix IDK if I would recommend something that goes across their nose. They are already a breed that is predisposed to breathing issues and I just think that may cause a problem. Also it is going to be harder to fit and easier for her to get it off.

Gentle Leader makes a harness called an Easy Walk that I have also used and found it works very well. It puts the leash on the front of the chest which applies pressure and turns their shoulders when they pull.

Amazon.com: Premier Easy Walk Pet Harness, Large, Black/Silver: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Premier Easy Walk Pet Harness, Large, Black/Silver: Pet Supplies

That's just what I would probably recommend
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These are all really good suggestions. I will definitely look at all these when making my selection. Thanks guys!
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Clean Run: Freedom No-Pull Dog Harness

Is the freedom. The site also has the easy walk and a few others, so worth checking out.
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Personally, if you are talking about head halters (that's all that came up for a search of halti non pull harness), I don't care for them. I also think they'd be hard to fit on a pug. Anyways, IME they make a dog suppress a lot which kind of masks the real issues.

IF you go this route, have a professional trainer show you how to correctly use one (ie steady hands, no jerky/pulling, only upward motion, appropriate length of leash). It really helps to have someone teach you how to use them, otherwise, you'll be creating very negative experiences for your dog.

Also, don't just slap it on and wait the fuss out until your dog shuts down; you've got to condition your dog to it, ie show it to him and give treats, touch him with it and give treats, work up to placing it on his muzzle and give treats, eventually start buckling it and yep, you guessed it, give treats. You want to go slow and make sure he's comfortable at every step, otherwise you dog will be fighting it. When you finally attach a leash to it, be prepared to give treats as well for when he's in the right position.

My recommendation, instead of a head halter, would be to get a front clip harness and practice teaching a loose leash walk, as I described on this thread:

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Good advice from the above, I'll just add my two cents:

Sometimes it is more effective (and smoother for the human) to back up, rather than stop or turn around. (That said, you'll find what works best for you.) For whatever method you use, make sure as soon as the pup loosens up on the leash, resume going forward. He'll learn pulling equals penalty steps back, when he wants to go forward, so he must keep the leash loose to get what he wants.

Don't forget to reward every time your pup looks at you, loosens the leash on his own, or moves back to your side.

All that above will help on walks that you may need to do now.

In the meantime, practice walking nicely on a loose leash at home as well. Don't try practicing this immediately on your walks or before your pup has gotten some good exercise. (Like Rain, said, humans are slow! Plus, to a pup, so much is new and exciting, they want to check out everything *now*.)

To do train a nice leash walk at home, you can mark (ie "good") and reward every step, then every other step, etc by your side. Or, you can just dole out food really fast/frequent at first and then slow it down as your pup gets the idea that food will arrive so long as he's at your side or walking loosely. After he gets the idea down inside, move to the backyard, then the front yard, then the sidewalk, etc. Every time you move to a new area, you may need to back up a bit and mark/reward or do the fast food again as a refresher, but overall pup should remember the concept.

Kikopup on YT has some good videos on how to do all of this as well.
Also, like another said, I, too, would switch to a harness regardless. I don't like walking a dog who pulls on a collar. Aside from issues with a brachy breed, all dogs in general can suffer damage to their esophagus and trachea.
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Also, like another said, I, too, would switch to a harness regardless. I don't like walking a dog who pulls on a collar. Aside from issues with a brachy breed, all dogs in general can suffer damage to their esophagus and trachea.
This is why Tessa the sled puller wears a harness. My previous dog pulled 12 of her 14 years and wound up with a massive deep tissue lump in her throat from the pulling, it was in the exact spot her collar would tighten when she pulled. It made it very hard on her to swallow in her later years.

Even with loose leash training, a dog can spot a bird or rabbit and want to pull towards it. So a harness is always best.

I've also seen, and been recommended, the head halti. I don't like them and would personally prefer a harness over a halti for Tessa, even if she does pull.

Example: Tessa and I were walking around a local lake a month or so before her spay. A guy with another young lab mix came up on the otherside of the path. He said his dog pulled just like Tessa, till they put the head halti on. Now this dog was walking very nicely, one problem though. When his dog came close to meet Tessa he started bucking like a bronco and got sooo barrier frustrated (because his owner was tugging at his head to keep him down) that the dog then had his head turned into the owner (because the owner, once again, was trying to keep him from jumping) and he wound up biting his owner in the thigh.

That same dog is now on a front clip harness and Tessa and him enjoy playing ball in the field by the lake once in awhile (haven't been out there in a bit, what with recovery and all )
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