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Old 06-28-2012, 02:58 PM
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A few questions on different things, recall, lie down and my partner.

Hey guys if anyone's seen my other posts, you'll realise I'm a total amature and probably should've done a bit more research before we brought our tramp home (affectionately nicknamed stray).

I've been doing some of the recall games, all going pretty well, but I'm not sure how to teach her "away". She stays stuck to my side most of the time, the only way I can teach "come" is to have her sit, stay, then I walk away a distances and say "Trixie, come!" and she bounds over, treat etc. I've tried throwing a treat and saying "away" which she often does go for, but she's not getting the "away" comand, she seems to just fancy that treat and follows it... if that makes any sense. How do I get her to understand what away means?

Second, she got sit, stay, come, bed, down, leave it and a few others, but I just don't know how to teach lie down. I've tried something I've done on a few dogs, which is "Lie down" *click fingers above dog, slap hand/point on ground level* but it's just not getting through. I've tried gently guiding her into a lie down position but again, it's not really getting through that that's what I'm treating for, with the comand.

Third, she listens to me for all the commands I've mentioned... but just sort of lols her tongue and looks confused when my partner tries. His voice isn't quite as assertive as mine, his is more of a question, which I've pointed out and he's tried my straight voice, but she still only really listens to me. Lovely, but it means I'm pretty much needed by her side at all times, and with two kids that's... hard enough.

Any advice is appreciated, I want to give her the best life possibly, and for us to have a good relationship, I don't really like the thought of punishing her, most of this stuff is going well through treats but there's just some things that need tweaking x
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I`ll give it a go

1. What you need to do here is to train a "go to your mat" to teach the dog to orient away from you. Once you have the behavior down you can start making the mat smaller and smaller until you fade it entirely.
This video will show you how https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVGaslyGaGE

2. For lie down, you can either lure or capture it.
For luring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmhGsDl0OWI
For capturing, watch your dog until they lie down by themselves and quickly mark and reward. Be aware of on what surfaces and in what rooms they will do this so you can anticipate when they will lie down so you can start pre-empting it with a verbal cue.

3. Dogs don't generalize well. She has learned that "sit" means sit when it comes out of your mouth, but not that "sit" means sit when she hears it from other people. All your partner needs to do is do some training with her
Whenever you add a new variable in training (a new place, new distractions, a new handler) we always say "take the dog back to kindergarten." Start your training over again, as if it were the first time. For her brain, it sortof is. Eventually, she will learn to generalize commands to all situations and people (and she should get faster and faster as you add new variables with more practice) but while she is still learning so many new things she needs a little extra help.
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Hey guys if anyone's seen my other posts, you'll realise I'm a total amature and probably should've done a bit more research before we brought our tramp home (affectionately nicknamed stray).
First congrats!
Hope you've shared some photos!

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I've been doing some of the recall games, all going pretty well, but I'm not sure how to teach her "away". She stays stuck to my side most of the time, the only way I can teach "come" is to have her sit, stay, then I walk away a distances and say "Trixie, come!" and she bounds over, treat etc. I've tried throwing a treat and saying "away" which she often does go for, but she's not getting the "away" comand, she seems to just fancy that treat and follows it... if that makes any sense. How do I get her to understand what away means?
If you are willing to try something new (clicker/marker training), then perhaps work on teaching her to first go to a target using "away" as your cue. Then over time you can fade to target out. I've done this with my dobie for Treibball and am currently teaching my min pin as well. I can offer more tips if interested but for now this video might be helpful to show you what I mean.

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Second, she got sit, stay, come, bed, down, leave it and a few others, but I just don't know how to teach lie down. I've tried something I've done on a few dogs, which is "Lie down" *click fingers above dog, slap hand/point on ground level* but it's just not getting through. I've tried gently guiding her into a lie down position but again, it's not really getting through that that's what I'm treating for, with the comand.
You could capture it, meaning wait until your dog does it on her own and then reinforce it. But this is likely to take quite a while.

You can also use a lure to get her into position. Depending on the dog, sometimes it is easier to go from a sit to a down and sometimes from a stand to a down.
To go from a sit to a down you'll let your dog nibble on a bit of fod as you move it slowly down to her front paws and then forward sort of in and "L" shape.
To go from a stand to a down, again you'll let your dog nibble as you movethe treat down to the floor. Wait until she's in a play bow (fron half down with butt in the air). At this point you can just wait some dogs out and they'll lay down completely on their own. Sometimes it helps to move the treat back a bit.

Either way, once in the down then say yes and feed the treat!

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Third, she listens to me for all the commands I've mentioned... but just sort of lols her tongue and looks confused when my partner tries. His voice isn't quite as assertive as mine, his is more of a question, which I've pointed out and he's tried my straight voice, but she still only really listens to me. Lovely, but it means I'm pretty much needed by her side at all times, and with two kids that's... hard enough.
Have you done most of the training up to this point?
My dogs listen to me and typically respond very quickly, but not so much with my husband. Mostly because he doesn't work with them often nor does he use the same cues I do.
If this is the case then I would either help him train your dog from square one or perhaps even sign up for a basic obedience class and let him do most of the handling. Even though you would be doing a lot of watching, you would still learn a lot, especially if this is your first dog!

Edit: Oops! Missed MA's post! So sorry for any repetition!
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First congrats!
Hope you've shared some photos!


If you are willing to try something new (clicker/marker training), then perhaps work on teaching her to first go to a target using "away" as your cue. Then over time you can fade to target out. I've done this with my dobie for Treibball and am currently teaching my min pin as well. I can offer more tips if interested but for now this video might be helpful to show you what I mean.
Treibball (Push ball) Basics: Sending Dog Out Behind Ball - YouTube


You could capture it, meaning wait until your dog does it on her own and then reinforce it. But this is likely to take quite a while.

You can also use a lure to get her into position. Depending on the dog, sometimes it is easier to go from a sit to a down and sometimes from a stand to a down.
To go from a sit to a down you'll let your dog nibble on a bit of fod as you move it slowly down to her front paws and then forward sort of in and "L" shape.
To go from a stand to a down, again you'll let your dog nibble as you movethe treat down to the floor. Wait until she's in a play bow (fron half down with butt in the air). At this point you can just wait some dogs out and they'll lay down completely on their own. Sometimes it helps to move the treat back a bit.

Either way, once in the down then say yes and feed the treat!


Have you done most of the training up to this point?
My dogs listen to me and typically respond very quickly, but not so much with my husband. Mostly because he doesn't work with them often nor does he use the same cues I do.
If this is the case then I would either help him train your dog from square one or perhaps even sign up for a basic obedience class and let him do most of the handling. Even though you would be doing a lot of watching, you would still learn a lot, especially if this is your first dog!

Edit: Oops! Missed MA's post! So sorry for any repetition!
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She not answering much to your husband could be the way he gives the commands too. For example, whenever I call my dog by his name, I do it in a special tone that is enthusiastic and that he mostly answers right away. But I also give him treats often or call him to go to somewhere else. My partner on the other hand often used his name as a kind of reprimand, out of despair, when he saw the dog goes after something valuable. Told him to avoid doing that, and to try to imitate my tone of voice, but well...

So maybe your husband doesn't catch her attention much. It could also be that she is much more attached to you already. Does your husband take care of her needs and play with her too?


About teaching lie down, my dog also didn't offer me the behavior easily. What I did was to hold his collar while holding the luring treat, and then lower the treat. Since he couldn't move forward, he had to lay down. I can't remember the details thought, but it was something like that.
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