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Old 11-28-2012, 12:51 PM
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Question Anyone know anything about BarkBusters?

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There is a dog training guy near me that is part of a 'Bark Busters' group or organization. The descriptions on their web site make me a little wary, but I thought I would ask here for any advice / comments on them.

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No. No, no, no, no, no. Barkbusters is a whole slew of adversives, from throwing bags of chains at the dog to spraying water to shock collars. "Trainers" take a 6 week training course that is mostly information on marketing, and they are absurdly expensive.

What are looking to train your dogs to do? If it's just general obedience, a PetSmart training class would be positive and much cheaper.
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OK, Thanks. I suspected as much.

No I go to Cathy Bruce at Canine Country Academy over in Lawrenceville. She's a +R trainer. I was just curious cause this guy was closer and I had never heard anything about BarkBusters.

By the way, not all Petsmart instructors are +R. I once went to a class there and got in trouble for talking baby talk to my Lily. I was supposed to 'make' her toe the line. Needless to say me and the instructor did not get along.

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Bark Busters is not the route I would personally choose...
Look around a bit more online. Do a google search to find reviews that are not on the BB website. You'll find just a mixture of good and bad reviews.
Without going into too much detail, I'm not a fan of their methods and the ideas their methods are based upon. BB trainer's often teach clients to growling at a dog ("BAH") or throw bag with a chain inside at a dog to stop or interrupt unwanted behavior. Also from what I have heard they tend to be quite pricey.
Personally I feel that there are better and more wallet friendly options out there!

If you want you can check these sites to see if there are any trainers closer to you.
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But if you like your current trainer then I would stick with her, unless you're looking for something she doesn't teach (ie. a particular dog sport)!

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That's weird. Their official training of trainers is +R, I suspect partially for liability reasons.

The thing that pisses me off most about Barkbusters is this:

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Simple, Natural, and Fast

A simple shift in leadership, natural techniques, and consistency are all that's required to re-establish social order and strengthen the animal-human bond, and together with Bark Busters dog trainers, dog owners can transform their "problem dog" into a happy, obedient companion in as little as 2-3 hours.
Not even possible. There is no one anywhere using any method that can train out every issue in 2-3 hours, but that is so appealing to people. They don't want to put in the effort training takes, so they pick the promised quick fix with little concern for what punishment based training can do to a dog.
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That's weird. Their official training of trainers is +R, I suspect partially for liability reasons.
Now she did not pop a leash or hit a dog, but she did use verbal corrections, and was just a bit too old school for me I think. My dog, Lily, was reactive to other dogs back then, and the instructor never advised treating for calming signals (I doubt she knew what they were, but neither did I) or counter conditioning or anything other than 'Don't talk cutesy to her and be more forceful' etc.

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Not even possible. There is no one anywhere using any method that can train out every issue in 2-3 hours, but that is so appealing to people. They don't want to put in the effort training takes, so they pick the promised quick fix with little concern for what punishment based training can do to a dog.
Sigh.. The quick fix line. Yes I want it all right now too. You're right it just don't work that way.

I am quite happy with the trainer I have found. She is PR only, and after I get Lucy through this re-activity etc, I eventually want to take all the classes she has to offer. Lucy is a real fast learner and just loves clickering etc. She's also got the TTouch lady coming in Feb, and I think Nicole Wilde coming next summer. So I am lucky to find her so close to me.

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Hi Guys:

We have had dogs for many years, used to show, breed etc. We hired Bark Busters here in Canada, after doing a fair bit of research. Was the best investment we have ever made! I suppose like a lot of things, it will depend on your personal experience, but the changes we have seen with our dogs has been amazing. I suspected there had to be a reason why Bark Busters is the largest dog training company in the world, and after we did the training we now know. It seems like every one is an expert these days, but for us, the experience with these guys was an amazing transformation. - Ryan & the Clan
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Did they throw chains in a bag at your dogs? Shock collars? Water spray? I am not going to judge them (or you), but I'd like to know if they did those things. Personally and this is just my feelings, I don't want to do those kind of things to Lucy. She had a horrible first year of life, and it just sounds like more than she could handle. And she absolutely adores me and that took about a year, so there is no way I'd do anything to her that might scare her even a little.

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Bark Busters

Hi Monty:

No, we did not throw chains in a bag at the dog.
No, we did not use shock collars.
No, we didn't use a water spray.

Bark Busters is wayyyy less physical than Cesar Milan, which really surpised us too.

We did however, communicate in a language that our dogs could understand. The biggest thing we did learn, is that alot of what we were trying to do previously, was based on our human learnings, not on how dogs think and communicate. Dog's communicate with their body language, the growl, the snap, not with words, treats, or leashes. They also learn from association, and we soon realized, if we wanted our dogs to change, we needed to be the ones to initiate that. What we discovered, before using Bark Busters, was that the issues we had were very much the product of our own doing. Previously we would try to correct one problem, and in the process developed another issue. Personally I think this is what the majority of other trainers end up causing, rather than solving the problems entirely. I cannot begin to tell you how much we have spent over the years, with various dogs, trying to solve a variety of issues. The Bark Busters system is world wide I believe. It's not based on any one trainer. I would suggest doing your homework, and contact the trainer in your area, and speak personally with them. What I have found is that everyone has their own opinion. My dad once told me that if you think it's expensive hiring a professional, wait until you hire an amateur. Definitely our experience, with our dogs. We could not be more happy with our experience with Bark Busters in Edmonton, Alberta.
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Ryan, its interesting to me that you are new poster on the forum, and just came along to comment on this thread.

Hmm....

Just odd, that's all....
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