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Old 10-05-2009, 02:10 PM
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About my Doberman lab mix

My doberman is a red doberman mixed with lab, and he's got yellow eyes. he's two days past three months now and I'm trying to train him to be a service dog. even at 7 weeks though, he was already protective. Not overly protective, but just wreckless in defending me. Like me and my boyfriend were sleeping and this pit bull ran up to us barking and growling, and at 7 weeks, Cosmo zoomed out of the sleeping bag, growling at staring. He rarely acts this way, but he seems to be very descerning on what he's aggressive with.

Anyway, I got him at 6 weeks, and I knew that was too young, so I risked it and put him around some dogs I knew so he could "catch up". He learned all his tricks and stuff in less than a 24 hour period, but the problem is that he's so heavily attached to me I can't get him to stay anywhere! He just cries and starts running towards me. If I go into a bathroom, he'll sit patiently outside of it. He potty trained himself, but when it comes to getting him to stay, it's the one thing he absolutely hates doing. He must be by my side.

Keep in mind, I've taught him this trick already. He knows SO MUCH for three months, he's even ahead of this woman who trains service animals, and the lab is twice his size!!!

I've been doing all of the training myself, socializing him around kids, camping outside and stuff so he knows his environment, walking around the city so he doesn't get lost (he knows most of the majour hotspots). Me and him are best of buds. If I go to the bathroom, he wakes my fiance up and stares in the direction that I left.

Sometimes I find myself getting really frustrated, and my boyfriend sometimes has to get mildly physical. I've always wanted a doberman and I've done a lot of research. he's apparently VERY WELL BEHAVED FOR THREE MONTHS. So, what am I to do? Just ride out his little puppy period? I know he's going to get even more devilish when the teething comes up and he becomes even more aware of his environment.

Here's all he knows right now:
*Sit
*Down
*Come here
*His name(Cosmo)
*That's enough
*No biting
*No/Stop(sometimes he runs away and I tell him to stop, he stops in his tracks)
*Slow down
*Be nice/be gentle
*Stay (he just doesn't like to do it)
*Go get it(fetch)
*Bring it back(if he finds something, or with fetch)
*Leave it
*Drop it
*Up(to jump)
*Wait(for food, for treats, or for me)

He learned it all in the first few days I got him. I talk to him all the time and we spend a lot of time training together. He teaches me patience and I teach him to listen and run with my routine. It's not for lack of exercise or attention that he acts this way. He also hates my family, he's completely disinterested in them (probably because I don't like them too much). I've seen him be really responsive to people, but he doesn't really like my family or certain people he just downright barks at and stuff, and he's not a mean dog.

Sorry, I'm new here and I like to make sure I have clarity in what I say. He's going to be my service dog, so I'm trying to make sure this all gets done right.

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Old 10-05-2009, 02:23 PM
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First off, why do you feel the need to be physically punishing a 3 month old dog? You should be happy he does everything else you ask for...he is still a baby and still needs time to be confident and comfortable with "stay". If your bf has been physically pushing him or putting him somewhere or even hitting him, it is going to take you extra long now to teach him it, because he will only associate "stay" with "that guy will punish me"...You have to stay calm, you are asking a lot of a baby dog and it could be why he refuses to stay...

How are you teaching stay? Are you walking away from him right away? It takes very very slow baby steps, put him in a stay, look away but stand right there, if he stays for 5 seconds then click (if you use a clicker) or say "yes" and treat. Do this a couple times then slowly push it to 10 seconds, then 15...then you can start swaying side to side, just barely picking up your feet and do the exact same process (5 seconds, 10 then 15) then do one step back, etc etc. This takes TIME so do not get frustrated and do not punish the dog..if he gets up, simply ask him to sit then stay and do it again.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:28 PM
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What training methods are you using? Clicker, treat training etc?

As pawz said-there is NO need to be concerned. He's young What your doing is great-and sounds like he's doing great. But give him space to grow up, socialize and play as well He's a pup first and a service dog second.

What type of service are you training him for?
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can't do much more than echo what was already stated. i love dobermans, had one as a kid and i swear, she helped raise my sister and i....

definately give the pup time to be a puppy...they go through different phases in their development that lead to behaviors that will happen regardless of training...to an extent...like teething, they have a phase where they become more cautious than they used to be and stuff like that, it is all normal, and you really just have to bear with him a lot of the time.
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check this out, it may give you a good idea of what to expect...

you don't have any pics of him do you?
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He's going to be my therapy dog because he keeps me calm. Long story short it has a lot to do with the fact that animals comfort me.

I don't hit the dog at all, I do pop him on the nose though when he bites too hard or sometimes close his mouth(I bought tons of teething toys already), he has what seems to be an infinate amount of energy. Seriously, if I don't do this routine with him, he just runs amuk.

I take him to dog parks, he hangs around a lot of people. He has best dog friends too. He really likes this miniature pinscher and this chow pit and a german shepard that is trained not to use its mouth. He's only surrounded by good role models and non-aggressive dogs that bark for warning, not to attack.

To be honest, he demands the stimulation. After he learned all this stuff, he decided he wanted to sing with me (like two days ago) when I was walking down the street. He always watches me and every move I make. We're best friends. I don't hurt him at all, I try my best to be patient, it's just sometimes I'm in a situation where I need him to stay, and I hate to hear him cry. It makes me upset.

He's going to be my service dog. I have Aspergers and one of my gifts is my interactions with animals is always astounding. So, to keep me motivated and goal oriented, it was recommended that I get a dog so that I wouldn't be lonely and I would take care of my responsibilities. So he's my service dog to keep me on task. I just have to fill out the applications and stuff when he's completed all of his shots.

He's so funny, I will try to post pictures of him. He's absolutely adorable~!
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That is all fine but you did say your bf as well has had to get physical. Honestly tho the best way to stop biting is to walk away or pull your hands away and look away. If you pop him or push him or put your hands on him he will think you are playing He really needs more time to learn to stay as well and to be a puppy.
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Dogs that are protective and aggressive are simply one thing... fearful.


Treat this as a socialization thing...You have proofed him around calm people/ calm dogs...its now time to up the ante and get him used to other things...if everything hes been exposed to is nice all the time...sure when an aggressive dog charges him hes going to react.

I can't go into detail right now...I have to go back to work...Iam mild aspy as well and I thrilled you've chosen to train a service dog for yourself...very cool I just think your techniques need a little tweeking.

what kind of training are you using?

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like I said before, it's all intuition. I train him the way I trained my grandma's puppies. When he bites too hard, I show my dissaproval. Sometimes I use dog tactics because he understands it better and faster. He's pretty obedient, as long as he's been worn out. He's off leash most of the day in a dog park, and then he's usually training indoors at stores that let me bring him in. He's very well behaved and very understanding of what he's supposed to do.

The little defiance stages, his only last for a few days and then he remembers again. It seems distraction based. When I first got him, he was happy to have me as his owner, and he's listened to me ever since. I really think he was supposed to be my dog. Lol
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It seems distraction based.l
Exactly... proof him more with more and more elaborate scenarios.

your grandfathers way is not the only way. You can show disaproval without getting physical with an animal.
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I have a dobie mix as well. They are EXTREMELY smart dogs, and your dog sounds like its got the dobie brain out of his two mixed breeds (not saying labs are stupid, but just how his brain works).

I notice my dog gets very territorial if i am around other dogs (she has a extremellly close bond with me and knows me in and out, in fact I joked on another thread on here, if she could crawl up my butt and live there she'd be the happiest dog on the planet). I find its because she either fears or is uncomfortable around these dogs, or as the case is a lot of the time too, I send her stress signals because I anticipate problems from her because she has shown them in the past and she picks up on it. And thats kinda partly, what dobies are bred to do, be your guard and be your loyal velcro dog, to know you that well.

My dog is my therapy dog too, she is my "rock" my soulmate. And she sounds a lot like your dog :P

Be careful you aren't giving your dog signals because the dog will pick up on this and say, "hey, she feels this way I don't know why, maybe I should be territorial to protect my person."

or even mixed signals accidently, telling him something one way then telling him a slightly different another time, he might turn that confusion into negative behavior (not saying that is what you are doing of course, but just be careful with combining training methods, and being consistant).

I understand the correcting by holding the muzzle closed but be careful how you do it because your dog already has a "strong" personality, and as a puppy a lot of what they learn now will stay with them for life.

try desensitizing him to situations that show his behavior you disapprove of, you said he is fast at learning, he should be able to catch on quick to desensitizing.

make sure he gets plenty of structured excersize. Dog park shouldn't be his main method of excersize. Sure, you should continue that and your other training, for socialization skills and to become obedient/ strengthen your bond, but long walks to tire him out or other means of excersize, will leave less room for naughty behavior if he is tuckered out.

lastly, if any aggressive behavior gets out of hand it is a no no of course, it is okay to call a reputable behaviorist to correct this problem BEFORE he gets older and stronger.

so far you are doing pretty well I think with your new pup .

oh one more thing, It is okay for others to get involved with training your dog, but if you are the main trainer, you MUST be clear to other people who are in contact with him the way YOU want him to be trained or else he will get confused, one person is telling him this, another person that, which one? that kinda thing can set him back because it gives him room to pick which way he wants to deal with a situation and to be his own leader when its you who should be his leader.

I hope I helped in some way, let us know how your pup gets along

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