Schutzhund? Tracking?

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Old 01-24-2010, 01:51 AM   #41
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Oh, and I just heard from a friend that a judge at a very prestigous show in the states made this comment; "German Shepherds were bred for protection, they are not a herding dog, why they are grouped in this category is beyond me."

Ummmm... HELLO!

German Shepherd.... some people are just idiots.. lol.
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Old 01-24-2010, 02:25 AM   #42
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oh my!
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:11 AM   #43
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There is such a potential in these dogs and some people just ruin it all!!
It could definitely be the best all-around dog breed...just need a few things to change in the show ring. If there was a rule to be a must to obtain a working title for working dogs before you title a dog as Best of Breed in the shows could be an answer to the problem.

Anyway, I wanted to ask something. You said you go to a training club...so I was wondering you train the dogs in groups? and if yes Does it work well?...or you would prefer a trainer just for you?
I found a very successful club 2 hours from where I live and we had a talk with my father whether or not it could be better to go there or continue the home-training.
As long as we have always trained the dogs at home I don't know if group training could work in SchH/IPO. What do you think?
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If there was a rule to be a must to obtain a working title for working dogs before you title a dog as Best of Breed in the shows could be an answer to the problem.

I totally agree, that any dog shown should obtain some type of working title first. Agility, SchH, Tracking, Herding, etc... just show me this dog is MORE THAN PRETTY!

You said you go to a training club...so I was wondering you train the dogs in groups?

We go on the feild at different times for different things and do some group acitivities together.

The protection work is done with the handler/owner, the dog, the helper and that is it.

Tracking is done in small groups but only 1 dog and handler are on the feild "tracking" at a time and usually there is more than 1 track set up.

The obedience work we do at our club is done in small groups of 3-4 dogs and handler/owners.

There are usually more experienced people out there training than not, so it is helpful for me (a newbie) to get advice from them or see them and their experienced dogs work first or show us "how it's done".

A lot of the tracking and obedience work is your responsibility to keep up as no "formal classes" are given at the club. It is mostly protection work we work on when there.

and if yes Does it work well?...

I like it, yes. This is because I am inexperienced in this realm of the dog sport world. I like having people and dogs I can look too for support, guideance, advice, etc..

Everyone is willing to help which is rare and they are all so supportive and encouraging to both the handler and dog.

or you would prefer a trainer just for you?

We also work with a obedience trainer one-on-one once a week. There are 4 dogs in the class, one is used as a demo dog, then the handler breaks us up in different parts of the room (huge gym) and comes and works with us one-on-one.

I like it this way because you have the opportunity to see what others are doing, offer or take others advice, etc..

Also group training is great to work on distraction training.

I found a very successful club 2 hours from where I live and we had a talk with my father whether or not it could be better to go there or continue the home-training.

Here, without a club or training classes it would be very hard to really get into the "dog world".

I find you learn so much more, see others opinions, get some very experienced handlers/owners/breeders/helpers advice and have that 'upper hand' because usually these people have been involved with their dogs and the sports they participate in for a LONG time. They know the in's and out's and what is going on with who and where.

As long as we have always trained the dogs at home I don't know if group training could work in SchH/IPO. What do you think?

Certain aspects can be worked on in groups, but there are some aspects of the sport that need to be done individually.

I will try to get a couple videos of our training next weekend and post them so that everyone can see what I am trying to describe... lol.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:16 PM   #45
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Don't worry I can understand you completely!! I think I'll get Chopper and Achilles and get to that club! At least until my father is over with Chico...I would like to see myself getting involved with it!
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I really like the atomosphere in a club too, especially ours. Everyone really cares about the dogs and their owners. They are all so experienced and knowledgable, I feel as though if I am having an issue I can go to them, even if it isn't about SchH or any other sport.

Like Stark is having some issues right now. He got scared on two occassions by some kids (one SCREAMED in his face when we went to get on an elevator, and the other time a group of boys (10years old or so) screamed, barked and rattled a chain fence at him and RAN after him doing it), he will now tense up when around them and if they run or scream or cry near him (even if they are being silly and having fun) he will bark.

I was doing everything I could think of and then mentioned it at the club and they have been SO HELPFUL in helping me deal with this. Or not deal with it as you will.. lol. I've been giving the "no bark" command and making him "platz" when he does and it seems to be helping.

It is also a great place to go just to "talk dog"... lol.
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I think that's the reason I asked...I wish the club here will be like what you describe! If it is I'll stick there! lol!
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I have seen/been to a few clubs that were just people training their dogs, sure they got to train, but it just didn't seem like a "fun" environment.

I want my dogs and myself to have fun while we train and compete.. otherwise, why do it?

I would definitely recommend going and visiting, you may be surprised!
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