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Old 04-01-2010, 07:59 PM
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:31 PM
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so they think this thing is domesticated that quickly? LOL k I want to send them an email and ask if this thing is so tame that it can be a pet why dont they trim those long nails :P Still cute, but I dont trust that they are domesticated.
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Old 04-02-2010, 12:44 AM
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so they think this thing is domesticated that quickly? LOL k I want to send them an email and ask if this thing is so tame that it can be a pet why dont they trim those long nails :P Still cute, but I dont trust that they are domesticated.
I think you should actually read the experiment-it's controlled domestication that's never been done. These foxes can be handled by children and have been in Russian homes as pets for a few years now. It's quite well known and incredible experiment. They've even isolated genes that will likely unlock the key of all domestication.
Also I don't think they'd answer your email-I can't even find an english webpage or a webpage. You might have luck phoning Russia

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Old 04-02-2010, 05:57 PM
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hmmm it says they originally had 700 domesticated foxes but had to cut it back to 100 because of lack of funding...meaning they killed 600...IMO not justified enough for the "study project". I am a conservation biologist and somewhat of an animal welfare activist, I find that very very depressing.

Not trying to 'throw the paint on the fur coat' just showing the ugly side of studies that just end in 'ah this is how domestication came about' oh and here is a super expensive pet :P
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Old 04-03-2010, 01:13 AM
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I think you need to read more then wikipedia I linked that to get you started

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meaning they killed 600...
Actually those have been sold as pets-and secondly the original bunch were rescued from fur farms.

Anyways while I respect others' opinion I think you need to read far past wikipedia-you'll have a different opinion

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Awesome-what kind of work do you do? That's a huge field!
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:59 PM
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Actually those have been sold as pets-and secondly the original bunch were rescued from fur farms.
Where did you read this at? It made it sound like they had too many and had to get rid of them and stick with just the 100 then rebuild?

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Anyways while I respect others' opinion I think you need to read far past wikipedia-you'll have a different opinion
It is going to be difficult to change my opinion about domesticating something unless there is a better reason than "lets see how it works and what happens and sell them as pets b/c they will be behaved". I am open to doing research and finding out more info but so far it does not seem to be something to benefit the species.

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Awesome-what kind of work do you do? That's a huge field!
Just got a job with USDA to do some field work, graduating this May. Eventually I want to get into predator conservation, whether it be birds of prey (which I am recently getting into), or the larger predators (wolves, bears, big cats, etc).
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:25 AM
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Oh my goodness! They are soo cute! However, they don't look all that tame (or happy) either. All the pictures are of them huddled up in a cage. There was one or two with a lady. I don't know, it's like the expression on their faces of most of them were sad. Like depressed, just dealing with the people coddling them, but not enjoying it a bit. I know animals don't have human feelings, but that's the best I can describe it. This isn't to say I wouldn't want one! I would also like a pet tiger, bear, elephant, and giraffe. However, I feel wild animals will always have that instinct in them and it would be very easy after only 50 years of this domestication for one of them to lash out. Look at sigfreed and roy? (I know I spelt that wrong, so I just spelt it out it sounds!) Anyways, I'm not so sure what to think! Haha, I think it's a cool idea, I just don't think they are as gentle as they are claiming. If I wanted to get the fact that they were domesticated through to people, I would have the pictures of these fox in peoples homes curled up with their owners. Not huddled in a cage. Again, not dissing them. I'm just not quite sure what to think!
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your right those pics do paint that picture...


if you do a youtube search and watch the videos, you'll see tho that they are as tame and happy as the average dog/cat.
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Wont be so cute when one escapes a home and a hunter or rancher shoots it. jk :P

Watched a video and its cute dont get me wrong..I just dont see why they felt it necessary to do this...
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its research! Just like you are doing in the field! Why trap and tag animals? Because the idea is the research on the few will benefit the whole. They have learned massive amounts of things about behavior and genetics that would otherwise be a mystery

same could be said of your ferrets btw why domesticate them? What if they excape!
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