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Old 02-28-2012, 11:41 AM
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Question My Dog won't stop scratching and doesn't have fleas

Okay, here it goes!:

My puppy is a wonderful 9 month old border collie/shepherd/lab mix (not too sure but he definitely has collie in him) and has developed a very bad itch. His itch

because he has fleas (we've checked several time and had him checked, nothing!), he has no hot spots, no bleeding, no hair loss or anything. He's a very happy pup

that has a great coat of fur and has a very good diet. He loves the out doors and other dogs. Since he doesn't have any fleas we're thinking it's allergies of some

sort. Here's what we've tried so far:

1) We have him on a restricted diet (First, Natural Balance Kibble, and now we're trying Blue Wilderness as we've heard really good things about it and it's a bit more

balanced than Natural Balance). He's allergic to Chicken for sure so we don't fed him that. We just started the Blue and he's enjoying it so far.

2) We've also started added a fish oil to his food once a day

3) Gave him a bath with Oatmeal and Aloe shampoo to relieve itching (which didn't seem to help at all!)...Made it worse perhaps..so I gave him another bath but just a

rinse down with no soap or anything. Patted him dry (as I've heard rubbing is not good for the skin) and let him air dry indoors for a bit and then blow dried him a

bit. Once he was completely dried I brushed him (as brushing a dog while wet is not good either). I've been brushing him once a day for a week now to get all the

lose hair and dander off.

4). We started thinking it could be our laundry detergent. So we switched our detergent to a hypo-allergenic detergent (no fragrances) (as he tends to scratch lots

when he in our bed). We washed all of our bedding using that. We washed our dogs bedding in just the machine with no soap and put it on extra rinse to get all the

detergent off (I've heard using detergent on dogs bedding is a no no). Washed his collar with no soap as well. Cleaned his houses out (just water and gave it a good

wipe down).

5) We then thought well perhaps it's something outdoors? So we did all the cleaning, bathing, vacuuming of the house and kept him indoors for a few days (of course

we took him out to pee and took him for walks but on leash whereas he loves to run at the park, roll in dirt, mud and play with other dogs). This didn't seem to help

either...

6) As I mentioned before in #5, we vacuumed the house too get all the hair off the carpet and whatever else is in the carpet.

I should mention as well that we don't us any cleaners around the house that have fragrances either.


Here's some other information that might help.

He's itching is not localized really. He bites his fur sometimes but no hair loss. He scratches just above his tail, his ears, chews at his paws...all of the listed,

he has not developed any sores, loss of hair, hotspots and this has been going on for a few months now. I would have expected to see something like losing hair, hot

spots or bites on him but nothing!

Other bit of information, he seems to scratch the most at night! He goes crazy and keeps us up at night! We sometimes lock him out of our bedroom but seems hardly

fair to him as he`s just itchy! So we let him sleep with us again... He used to sleep in his crate downstairs but now we let him roam the house (he`s house broken and

is very good.) and now how found a nice spot to sleep in our onsuite bathroom since the tile is cool for him. He sometimes calms down but then he wakes up again and

starts all over. During the day he doesn`t seem as bad. He scratches less but still more than a normal dog should. (like right now he`s passed out on the kitchen

floor not scratching as he`s probably so tired from scratching all night)

Another quick point which I just discovered this morning is when I pet him, he doesn`t seem to want to scratch...could it be an attention grabber (scratching that

his?) Doesn`t really make sense since he scratches in the bathroom at night...why would he do that if he wanted attention? he`d come to us if he wanted

attention...just a point of information I would add incase anybody would have any ideas...

Also, whenever he scratches I check immediately sometimes hoping to find a flea, tick or a red spot, nothing!

More about his diet: Like I mentioned before he`s on a restricted diet with no grains, (if you`re not familiar with Natural Balance or Blue you can check out the

ingrediants here:

Blue Buffalo - Natural Dry Dog Food

(He is currently on Blue Wilderness Salmon)

His food that he was on before was:

**** Van Patten's Natural Balance Dog Formulas


He had been on a few flavours as we thought he might be allergic to something in the food. He didn`t really seem satified with any of them. (Scratching I mean).

we took him off of natural balance because a) read quite a few reviews from dog owners that it does cause problems with dogs (ie: scratching, daiarreah, vomiting ect).


We found this interesting since Natural Balance is listed as a better quality food for dogs. I know all dogs are different and some dogs are just more sensative to

things but wanted to try something different anyways. So, in the end, we`re trying Blue Wilderness. We are also considering raw food after this if this doesn`t work

withing a month or two. Anybody have any thoughts on that for stoping scatching?

For treats, we`re giving him the same treats as his dog food (same ingrediants but a treat form). So this way we are limiting the ingrediants on what he eats.

Toys: He has some stuffed toys and some bones which is likes to chew on (perhaps I should take away the bone for awhile to see if that helps...can`t see if that`s the

corporate as he only chews that during the mornings but I guess it still could be...) He gets bully sticks every now and then but he hasn`t had one in a few weeks so

that`s not it.

We`ve also even thought it could be humidity in our house but that`s not a real problem as we keep our house cool at night. We`ve even tried keeping the heaters off

for a few days during the day to make it cool all day and night but that didnt seem to do anything. We could check our humitity but I`m sure that`s not the issue.

Internal possibilities: He could have a yeast infection, scabies (which we highly doubt it is as we live in Canada but could be perhaps), hormonal imbalance, or

hopefully not, cancer. Scratching i`ve also heard can be caused by anxiety, stress, depression, or boredom, which he definately isn`t as he gets lots of attention,

excercise and is very playful and happy. He loves to smile all the time. To me, he`s like a normal dog but with one issue, scratching!

I know I wrote a novel here but I`m trying to figure out why my poor puppy is scratching so much and trying to avoid going to the vet as that`s really expensive!

Trying to narrow things down as much as possible until we`ve run out of options and then we`ll have to go the vet. Does anybody have any experience with any of this

or know of any other possibility of why my poor puppy is scratching?

-An itchy dog`s owner
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I think that an allergy is cetainly a good possibility and it sounds like you are doing everything you need to do to fix this problem!

I noticed that you think he is allergic to chicken...
I believe that Blue Wilderness Salmon contains chicken meal, so you may want to double check the back of your bag of food!
If this is indeed the case then you might be better off trying a different food/brand.
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I think that an allergy is cetainly a good possibility and it sounds like you are doing everything you need to do to fix this problem!

I noticed that you think he is allergic to chicken...
I believe that Blue Wilderness Salmon contains chicken meal, so you may want to double check the back of your bag of food!
If this is indeed the case then you might be better off trying a different food/brand.
Hey there, thanks for your response! I'm just trying everything I can to avoid paying a $$$ vet bill for something that we could perhaps do ourselves.

I wasn't aware of the chicken meal in the food..that COULD be it but... he was scratching before we switched just as bad too...but I'll try that never the less..thanks for the heads up!
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Do you have him on a flea preventative such as frontline? If not, he may still have just a couple of fleas, that you would not see, and would still drive him crazy. An allergy to fleas is very common, and one or two bites is enough to get a dog all itchy.

Get him on a once a month flea preventative. Frontline is very good. Stay away from brands you buy at the grocery or pet store.

If he still itches, then think about food allergy. At least you would have eliminated the possibility it is a couple of fleas and you could proceed with more confidence on the food allergy front.

Chewing above the tail is classic flea allergy, as is all the diffuse scratching and middle of the night itching.
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No we don't actually, though we should get him on one. How long after we give him is first dose of flea medication before we could see a difference? Should I give him a flea bath?
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No we don't actually, though we should get him on one. How long after we give him is first dose of flea medication before we could see a difference? Should I give him a flea bath?
I would not bother with a flea bath. Flea shampoos don't work very well anyway. Frontline should kill any fleas in a day or two.

What area of the country (world?) do you live in?
Do you have any other animals in the house?
Is there a history of fleas in your house or on any of your animals?
Do the neighbors have fleas on their animals?

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If it is allergies (which sounds probably), you might want to talk to your vet about putting the pup on an anti-histamine. Tesla has bad allergies (even on homemade) and a daily claritin is the only thing that keeps her from scratching.
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Has anybody used Apple Cider Vinegar, acidophilus, before to cure scratching?? I have just bought coconut oil today and I'm going to try that...
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I'm just saying, don't waste your time.
Get to the root of the problem. This is not astrophysics.

It is either fleas, or food allergy. (well, maybe a small chance its mange.)
Taking care of the possibility of fleas is very simple. Get Frontline from your vet and give that a few days.
If you are lucky, problem is over.

If he keeps scratching, put him on a two ingredient diet for a month. One novel protein and one novel carbohydrate. Home cook it if you have to. Don't mess around with commercial foods that have multiple ingredients.

Then you have your answers and can move from there.
Everything else is a waste of time, energy, and emotional resilience, and its all keeping you in a spinning cycle of confusion.

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I'm just saying, don't waste your time.
Get to the root of the problem. This is not astrophysics.

It is either fleas, or food allergy. (well, maybe a small chance its mange.)
Taking care of the possibility of fleas is very simple. Get Frontline from your vet and give that a few days.
If you are lucky, problem is over.

If he keeps scratching, put him on a two ingredient diet for a month. One novel protein and one novel carbohydrate. Home cook it if you have to. Don't mess around with commercial foods that have multiple ingredients.

Then you have your answers and can move from there.
Everything else is a waste of time, energy, and emotional resilience, and its all keeping you in a spinning cycle of confusion.

Took the words right out of my mouth!!


Two ingredients: I'd either use Venison or Tilapia if he's had neither and use sweet potato as the carbohydrate. Do it for a minimum of 4-6 weeks because it may take this long to see any results. Do not give ANY other treats or table scraps.
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