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Old 02-11-2012, 01:47 PM
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ALKP Score is 326

Emma - you used the term 'ALT' - is that the same as ALKP ? If it is - our dog's score was 326 (ALKP Test Score).

Bile Acid Test - Are you saying you'd do the ultrasound before the bile Acid Test because you feel the symptoms point to that OVER the Bile test at this point?

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ALT is not the same as ALP-- the ALT is more of a liver specific enzyme indicating damage to the liver itself than the ALP which could also be bile duct/gall bladder/something obstructing bile outflow.

It's a little bit of a toss-up. That ALP doesn't scream to me "severe liver damage" to the point where function tests are absolutely necessary, but it is something that should probably be done at some point. In my opinion, I'd put the money towards an abdominal ultrasound first because I think you'll get more bang for your buck with that test.

Depending on what the ultrasound shows, they may want to do the bile acids test or check clotting ability, since the liver has a lot of responsibility with regards to clotting. Some vets and owners are more gung-ho and want to do all of the tests right away to know what they are dealing with. It really all depends on you and your vet.
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ALT is liver enzymes. I would do the ultrasound before doing the bile liver test, because the ultrasound will probably give you more info. I was just suggesting the liver bile test as another option, but I didnt know you were looking into an ultrasound.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:59 PM
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Please immediately throw away the jerky chicken strips and google "chicken jerky strips china". They almost killed my beloved dog. Almost have the same story as you, as so many others have and did not know it was the strips!!!



QUOTE=ButtonHead;199032]We need some feedback!

We have a 14 year old Rat Terrier. She's been healthy all her life. We brought her to Vet to have a couple skin warts removed (only because she was chewing them and making them bleed).
Prior to the surgery Vet did a simple blood test and based on the results did a much more substantial battery of blood tests.

ONE 'marker' came back WAY too high: 'ALKP' - which apparently stands for Alkaline Phosphatase.
Normal score is between 5-131 and our dog scored a 326 !

The dog seems healthy EXCEPT her Appetite is almost obsessive and her thirst is double (or more ) what it usually is. Even at 12 lbs she'll drink steadily for at least a full minute.

This is supposedly an elevated Liver Enzyme. We feed our dog only the best best food, filtered water, all natural treats (organic chicken jerky mostly), and a couple of other supplements (Joint health, skin /coat).

We can't figure why in the world her liver could be under stress. Vet recommended bringing her to a specialist for a Sonogram test - which aside from the $350.00 price tag - makes no sense to us.

Would love to get your feedback.
Also - is there a way to 'cleanse' a dog's liver?

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Old 02-13-2012, 01:10 PM
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Chicken Jerky Treats from China - and Thx again!

Several people to thank.

HeidiV - WOW - THANKS SO Much for the tip regarding the Chinese Chicken Jerky. I'm ashamed at myself for not closely reading the label on the Wagonwheel Chicken Tenders we've been giving her for several years now. I would NEVER had fed her 'food' from China. I called the company & they confirmed they are produced in China.
I also Googled 'Chinese chicken jerky' as you suggested - from that search I found an article that reported on the problem AND provided a recipe to make your OWN chicken jerky at home - seems super simple and we'll do it!
BTW - the recipe is found at the bottom of the article on the china problem HERE :
Dog deaths and illnesses linked to Chinese chicken jerky treats

Emma - Thanks again for all your input. We REALLY appreciated all of it!

Holly - Tanks again for your input as well. We REALLY appreciated ALL of it.

Buttons is going for her ultrasound tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed :-)

LOVE you folks!

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Good luck tomorrow, I'm hoping you get some answers.
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[quote=ButtonHead;200038]Several people to thank.

HeidiV - WOW - THANKS SO Much for the tip regarding the Chinese Chicken Jerky. I'm ashamed at myself for not closely reading the label on the Wagonwheel Chicken Tenders we've been giving her for several years now. I would NEVER had fed her 'food' from China. I called the company & they confirmed they are produced in China.

If you truly think it is the jerky strips I would start on or both of these. They will detox the liver and help repair the damage.
Milk Thistle
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Liver Support Supplements for Dogs - S Adenosyl (SAMe) for Dogs and Cats by Vitality Systems
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SAMe and silybin, the active part of an extract from milk thistle, are both in the Denamarin I recommended earlier.

Let us know how it goes!
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UltraSound Test Done Tuesday

Based on the Ultrasound the Specialist feels the problem is in fact Cushings Disease.
I think the specialist said either her adernal glands or pertuatary gland <?>seemed to be inflamed - generating too much cortisol - which stresses the liver and other organs (she spoke so fast our notes are sketchy).
She said that the blood test we had done -which indicated it WAS NOT Cushings - has a 20% 'failure' rate (meaning it is inaccurate 20% of the time).

The specialist and our Vet agree that the next step would be to do a 'Low Dose Dexamethasone Suppression' test. I BELIEVE that test will determine whether the problem is in her Adrenal gland or her Pituitary gland.
Right now were thinking of doing that test happen next week.

The most surprising/negative remark the specialist made was when answering my question whether there were any natural remedies/suppliments/ etc to treat Cushings Disease. She said that 'holistic' stuff would just 'mask' the symptoms - and not solve/help the problem (this is the opposite of what I've read - meaning that 'drugs' just masks symptoms and at best 'manage' problems - BUT ALWAYS have some sort of negative side effect).
She said that Cushings medication Vetoryl DOES much more/is better than 'holistic' approaches. She also admitted that it is Toxic - and must be 'managed' properly.

Once again - we appreciate any thoughts /experiences/words of wisdom Forum members have to offer.

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Atleast you have some more information. I dont know a whole lot about Cushings. But, I hope you can find a way to manage it that you are comfortable with. I would do the extra test just to be sure. Did they mention that diet change would help at all? I would think a extra low fat diet might help. Keep us posted.
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