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Old 03-20-2017, 06:30 AM
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Gentle Lead vs Harness?

We are leash training our puppy, and I'm wondering if the Gentle Lead is better than the harness we have been using. He pulls on us a lot and is pretty strong, especially for me.

Does anyone have any opinions on these?
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:00 AM
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I have both
the front clip harness helps with pulling a little but when my pit wants to get to a cat he still pulls way too much he doesn't pull on a walk 90% of the time but when he does he's really strong lol
The gentle leader stops the pulling completely but my pit spends the entire time trying to get it off (he has been able to remove it so they def need to be worked with to like it) he hates it I did try to condition him to like it but he just hates it no mater what I do I have a Great Dane I use the gentle leader on and it works fantastic for her she leaves it on after I worked with her she is reactive to other dogs on leash so the gentle leader has been extremely helpful with that


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Please don't use a gentle leader on a puppy, it is not a suitable tool for a very young dog. Actually, I would never use one, I would use a prong collar before I would ever use a head halter.

What kind of harness are you using? If it's a back connecting one, then it is going to encourage pulling. If you are wanting a no-pull one, I would recommend against the EZ walk or Sensation front attachment harnesses and go with a harness that has two connection points - front and back and use it with a double ended leash, the best harnesses are, IMO, the Balance Harness (top choice) or the Freedom No-pull harness.
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He's 11 months old, so almost full grown. He's the same size of the beagle mix that I babysit sometimes that has one, and he seems to like it, so that's why I was considering it.

We've been having issues with him when he sees other animals outside, like squirrels or this morning he thought he could take on the deer, and he pulls a lot. My husband can get him under control, but I'm tiny and I'm afraid he'll pull away from me. We have a front clasp harness that can also be used in the car for restraint. We have a regular leash with a martingale collar but he pulls so much that he will choke himself and gag.
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Obviously training is the best way to go the gentle leader doesn't fix the problem it just makes it easier to manage but I def would condition your dog to it slowly not just throw it on and go
I would never use a prong collar on my dog for any reason
Currently I am working with my girl on "touch " practice which has been the most helpful for her reactivity so far so def recommend that
I started working in the living room then worked up to the yard now she does well with dogs across the street it really does work amazingly just takes time
https://youtu.be/RWSJVwZybwo
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We've been working on distraction tools and getting him to make eye contact with us when we call his name. He doesn't care about the other dogs much, but the wildlife in the backyard makes him go nuts. We have deer, foxes, coyotes, and there has been a black bear sighting up the road. I really worry that he's going to pull away from me and chase after them.

Oddly though, when I take him jogging with me on the trails, he doesn't pull on me and will run by my side.
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I've used both gentle leaders and front clipping harnesses on my dogs. My lab was trained in a Gentle Leader and I honestly love it. I would recommend speaking with a trainer as there are a few things that you will have to work through. First you have to condition the dog to take the gentle leader using treats and getting the dog comfortable with it on their nose. Then you will have to learn to walk on a looser lead. I usually walk with a completely slack leash with her only feeling pressure on the lead when she has gone too far. Also you would want to teach the dog that when they feel pressure they should look to you for direction.

Front clipping harnesses work in a similar way. It puts their own body weight against them. When they go to pull it is going to turn heir shoulders back towards you. Depending on the dog it can alleviate the fulling, or some dogs learn to pull through them. I use the front clip on the Ruffwear Front Range for my aussie.

Have you spoken with a trainer? I highly recommend speaking with a trainer.
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Yep, we go to a class on Saturdays. A few of the dogs there have gentle leads too. I don't know if I'm noticing them more because I was thinking of getting one, or if a lot of people are actually using them.
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I always noticed a lot of people use them. I do get comments a lot when Roxie has her's on (although it's black and she is black). I've been asked many times why she has a muzzle on. I really like it, especially for her. She's pretty much trained now, but when I'm going to a place that may have a lot going on or that she's never been I will put it on her to have the utmost control.
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Just so you know, the gentle leader was based on pack leader theory, but I doubt many +R trainers know this.

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Ms. Foster [co-creator of the gentle leader] said the halter succeeds because of a dog's instincts. ''You will see the pack leader putting his mouth around the mouth of the other dog, applying pressure to the top of the nose to show dominance,'' she said.

Connie C. Ellis, an instructor in dog obedience in Vero Beach, Fla., said, ''The dog knows right away that you're going to have control.''
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''People do want something humane that will not choke their dog,'' Dr. Anderson said. ''They want something that will give them power steering and fingertip control.''
In all honesty, it is a management tool, and the best thing is to teach loose leash walking!

A Leash That May Be More Humane - NYTimes.com
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