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Old 11-17-2010, 08:58 AM
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OK to mix raw and dry?

Enzo was a little sick the other day so we gave him so dry food to stiffen up his stool. He loved it, even while sick he chowed it down in no time. He is usually on the raw diet but never ate much. We have now (for the past 3 days) been mixing his Primal raw food with dry food. Just wondering if there is any reason that this is not ok? Enzo seems to prefer it and eats more now. If there is no reason to not continue then I would like to start mixing Orijen or EVO with Primal...
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I've heard some dogs can do fine this way. Other dogs have trouble digesting the raw with dry in the same meal (my dogs are like this). Raw goes through their system faster than dry.
If you are feeding raw meaty bones, I would caution to do that in a separate meal, so the stomach acids needed to break down the bones, are not absorbed by the dry food.
If you are just adding some raw meat to the kibble, and your dog is digesting this fine, then I would not worry!
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The raw is just Primal pre mixed nuggets. We stopped doing actual meat chunks for the most part and we don't mix meaty bones or chunks with the dry.

Would mixing canned and dry be a better option since he doesn't seem to be taking well to raw?
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So I just tried something out after our walk. I put out a few dishes next to eachother; one with just raw, one with mixed raw and dry, one with dry food softened up with water, one just dry. He checked them all out and pushed the water/dry mix away, nibbled at the raw/dry, smelled the raw for a while, then ate all of the dry.

I really like what I've read about the raw diet but I'm guessing that Enzo doesn't care what I've read and will be happier eating what he likes.

I'm not sure if I want to go with EVO or orijen for dry so I guess I will have to buy small bags of both and see what he likes.
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That's a great experiment! Great idea!

Overall, I believe there are a variety of ways we can feed our dogs and have them in top condition and good health, so I think you are wise to consider being flexible. There are indeed terrific dry foods now available (I used to feed Evo). Also there are home cooked diets. I recently discovered that my female (Tessa) prefers home cooked to raw. Our male (Josey) much prefers raw. So now I'm stuck preparing two types of meals all the time!
There is also the factor of boredom... some dogs get bored with the same food and like something new. If your dog has only seen raw for a while, there may be novelty in the kibble. Sometimes dogs (and cats) get sort of addicted to "junk food kibble". I can't get our cat to eat anything "healthy" at all. She will only eat dry kibble but turns her nose up at cooked chicken, or raw meat of any kind. I tried switching her to a raw diet and she hated it, and also threw up on on it, so I gave up.
Sometimes it takes dogs a while to get used to raw as well. Early on when I started with raw, my dogs liked some things (chicken wings) but not other things (liver). Once they got used to it, they loved all of it... until the female seemed to get bored of her food, and that's when I started experimenting with home cooked. SIGH! Just when I think I've got things figured out for them!

Anyway, it sounds like all the options you are exploring, from quality kibble to quality canned, to raw, are all good. I see nothing wrong with experimenting and seeing what your dog likes and how his health and energy levels seem to be affected.

Good luck and let us know what you work out!
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I wouldn't mix raw food with dry food aside from giving, say, a chicken wing or bone when the dog is on a kibble diet, just becasue they digest at different rates and could make him sick.
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Tess, Tessa and Josey are truly lucky dogs... I had to laugh when you said you prepare them two different meals now. I took Champ to the osteopath in Eugene yesterday. (My dad was like "Not many dogs get driven five hours for a massage!" LOL) She told me, again, that Champ seems gluten sensitive. So we're putting him on TOTW and going to supplement with more cooked meats. Treats are really an issue because he is a veggie freak....

I also like giving all of our dogs RMBs and raw poultry cuts, so what I'm getting at is you all say they shouldn't be fed together, as in Tulip's above post.

So, how much time should we actually be waiting between giving a raw meat item and their dinners, which are mostly kibble. Have there been any articles published for reference? Or is this personal experience speaking? I realize this may vary from dog to dog, but I'm looking for an estimate. Thanks!
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Hi Crock!
Well, I guess my experience is so long as its breakfast one type of food, and dinner the other, our dogs have done fine. I have not really tried to crowd it much closer than that. The only other hint I have is that I noticed a dog's tummy can still be full of food even 4 or 6 hours after a meal... as evidenced by vomiting... for what ever reason. Anyway, it seems to take quite some time for the stomach to empty.

Crock, I'm hoping you'll hop over to the "hunting dog hypoglycemia" thread in dog health... if you have any experience.

One more thing. What do you mean by "gluten sensitive"? Is this a diarrhea issue? One thing I noticed when I had Tessa on some homemade stew, including rice, is she seemed really hyped up on "sugar." She also got a goopy ear, full of wax, maybe a bit of a yeasty infection. She never had this problem until the carbos were part of her diet, so I find that interesting. Since I've switched her back to all meat and veg (ground and cooked special for her!) she has regained her calmer demeanor and her ear has stopped bothering her. Coincidence? I dunno.

I LOVE that you drive Champ 5 hours for his treatments!

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Rice is actually gluten free so it's okay, but the Canidae Chicken & Rice Champ was eating has barley and millet in it, which both have gluten. Of course, rye, corn, wheat, etc have gluten. Gluten insensitivity is called Celiac disease. The symptom of gluten sensitivity she was looking at was the roach back, which is one of the main reasons I took him to her; she did do a minor adjustment in that area, but she said the arch is a classic sign of the pancreas is inflamed, causing discomfort; apparently it affects the spleen and ureter, too. Champ's stools are usually nice and firm. Anyways, she did her "treatment," though I couldn't describe what she was actually doing. She pointed out that the top of his back was pretty warm, and really, it seems cooler today over the abdomen and his back is nice and level/flat. This is the site she referred me to last year: DogtorJ.com :: Food Intolerance in Pets & Their People :: Home of The GARD Some of his site I take with a grain of salt, but I do like grain-free diets for our dogs; I should take some time to learn more about this myself. Basically, she promotes feeding dogs homecooked grain-free meals or grain-free, high quality kibble. (She did a small adjustment where he sustained the spinal injury last year, but she said it was pretty good.)
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Enzo was a little sick the other day so we gave him so dry food to stiffen up his stool. He loved it, even while sick he chowed it down in no time. He is usually on the raw diet but never ate much. We have now (for the past 3 days) been mixing his Primal raw food with dry food. Just wondering if there is any reason that this is not ok? Enzo seems to prefer it and eats more now. If there is no reason to not continue then I would like to start mixing Orijen or EVO with Primal...
From what I've read, no.

The thought is that since kibble takes longer to digest, it holds the raw meat in the digestive tract longer making the dog more susceptible to illness (salmonella).

Do people do it? Yes.

I've read it's best to leave at least 12 hours between raw food and kibble.

To firm up poo, you can increase the bone content in the diet. I sometimes also use pumpkin which has the same effect.
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