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Old 12-18-2016, 12:22 PM
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A few questions about home cooked diets

Hi everyone,

We have a mini dachshund that we've been feeding home cooked for a few years now. His coat shines but he occasionally had bouts of GI upset and vomiting. I'm not sure why this occurs but I'd like to avoid it if possible. I also sometimes wonder if he isn't getting balanced nutrition.

Chicken is his staple, as it is ours. We usually give him a small portion of whatever we cook for the family. Chicken breasts, thighs, wings, etc. We usually add a bit of butter to the chicken for flavor and fat if it's a breast. When we want to treat him he gets a KFC chicken breast.

He also has salmon, ground beef, and pork less often.

I know he needs calcium though, so we give him cheese occasionally as a snack or a side to his meal.

What scares me is that he doesn't seem to eat enough vegetables/fruits. Even if we put them on his plate he isn't too interested. I try to give him pieces of my salad that he sometimes accepts, like carrots red peppers olives.

How does this diet sound to you more experienced owners? Do you see any major nutrition gaps? Is it too much protein? Any foods you recommend that are staples for your dogs?

tl;dr

help me optimize my mini dachshunds diet.

His diet is very high in protein, especially chicken
we give him cheese for calcium
he doesn't eat enough plant based foods i feel


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You have HUGE nutritional gaps.

Dogs basically do not digest vegetables, especially raw vegetables, like a person does, there's digestive tract is way to short for that to happen. I'll occasionally give my dog a raw carrot but it's to help clean his teeth and to keep him occupied, he derives no nutritional value from it as the next day he's pooping it out and it is not digested at all as far as I can tell.

If you are going to feed him a home cooked diet, cut out the KFC, it's as bad for him as it is for you. You need to be feeding him at minimum some liver, preferably raw, but if you need to cook it then just seer it, Liver is loaded with vitamins that he can actually use. You should also aim to give him other organ meats though, and organ meat should be making up 10% of his diet. Do not feed him a lot of liver at once as it could upset his tummy.

I'm betting that he needs more calcium then he's getting with the occasional bit of dairy that you are giving him. You can dry out some egg shells and grind them up into a powder, sprinkle the egg shell powder over his food. I can't remember off the top of my head how much you'd need to give him though. You can feed him some raw, they NEED to be raw, cooked bones can kill a dog, bones like chicken wings, necks, and backs, a couple times a week. It'll be healthier for him then the egg powder, in addition to providing calcium it'll give him some vitamins and minerals, and it'll help clean his teeth.

Even with all of that though I'd still be supplementing his diet with a good vitamin and mineral supplement. Nupro is one that I've used and liked, but there are others out there that would work as good.
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Thank you so much your reply has been very helpful.

For liver, can I just get that at my local supermarket? And then just feed it to him raw? Does the same go for the chicken bones? Just get some raw chicken wings at my supermarket and give him one? My only concern would be foodborne illness if going the raw route.

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Just a thought...you could also use a high-quality kibble as the base and then give him a small portion of homecooked meat on top. I did that with my previous small dog and I will probably do that at some point with this current puppy. It worked well.
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If you are giving your dog the same food you are feeding your family I want to suggest a book called "The Dog-Gone Good Cookbook... 100 easy, healthy recipes for dogs and humans" by Gayle Pruitt it'll give you a look at what is a nutritionally sound diet that both your family and dog can eat and enjoy! I got my copy on Alibris (used) for .99 + 3.99 for shipping and have enjoyed it immensely!
There's a really good recipe for Pepper Beef with Asian Sauce that me & my Molly enjoy often!!! LOL!
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Thank you so much your reply has been very helpful.

For liver, can I just get that at my local supermarket? And then just feed it to him raw? Does the same go for the chicken bones? Just get some raw chicken wings at my supermarket and give him one? My only concern would be foodborne illness if going the raw route.

Thank you again
Yep, from the supermarket is fine, and beef or chicken liver will be fine. You can rotate them for added benefit. You can try feeding it raw, and he may or may not decide he likes it like that. If he doesn't then try cooking it slightly and see if he likes it better. If he still doesn't then you can try mincing it and adding it to his food.

If you go with the chicken wings remove the skin from them and as much fat as you can the first few times you feed them. That'll help prevent it his tummy from getting upset.

While I don't cook for Zody, the dog I have now, I do occasionally give him raw bones and I feed him in his exercise pen, on a towel, on my tile floor, doing that keeps the anything like salmonella confined to one area that is easily cleanable. I don't even have to close the door of the pen any longer as he's learned that he can only have his bones in there and if he tries to take them out I'll put him back in there and close the door, he likes the door open so he doesn't bother to try and come out with his bone.
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Thank you for the follow ups.

I think I will start by offering him a dry kibble, and supplement with table food. That way he won't be missing any vital nutrients. I think I will also start giving him liver a few times a week, maybe I will cook it medium rare and see how he likes it. I've read some people cook a lot at once and freeze the rest for quick treats. Or I could start off with freeze dried liver treats.

I'll have to find a high quality kibble, and one that's palatable. He's a very picky eater and will not like kibble after eating exclusively table food.

As long as he's getting the kibble, the occasional liver snack, and frequent table food (chicken, pork, beef, etc) will that be a complete diet?
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The liver snacks are great. Very easy and dogs love them. The side of the container should say how many you can give in a day by weight. You can also sprinkle them through the kibble to enhance the flavor.

I used about 25% cooked and 75% kibble by volume. So if the portion of the kibble was a cup a day let's say, I would take out 1/4 cup and substitute in the cooked. It seemed to work well. Add in treats here and there as well.

You could also use wet dog food as the base if he rejects the kibble, same basic nutrient content. I bet he would love that mixed with some fresh cooked food
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Hi everyone, I'm back with an update.

I bought my dachshund a "small dog" daily vitamin supplement from fosters and smith, in addition to some evolve salmon kibble (4 stars on dogfoodadvisor).

Dog Vitamins & Supplements: Lifestage Select Premium Small Dog Multivitamin & Mineral Supplement

Evolve Dog Food | Review | Rating | Recalls

He loves the supplement but not the kibble. The only way I was able to get him to eat it was by spraying cheesewiz on it. Moistening it doesn't seem to help either. I think he's so used to eating people food that he doesn't like the taste of it. I have gotten him to eat it a couple times in a few months though.

So far I've noticed he's put on a tiny bit of weight, in a good way. He was almost too skinny before. Although this may just be because it's winter.

He still mostly eats table food. We cook a portion of whatever we eat for him. Usually it's chicken, pork, salmon, beef. We offer him our veggie but he doesn't eat it. He gets a small amount of processed carbs like bread or tortilla.

I just bought him some freeze dried liver treats on amazon as well and he seems to like them. I'm not overdoing the liver though because of vitamin a.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



So my question is, do you guys still see any nutritional gaps? I think he's still missing a good source of calcium and omega 3. He only gets those from cheese (we feed it to him as a snack pretty regularly, in the form of pretty good quality cheese from sargento like mozzarella) and our weekly salmon meal. I'm not eager to start feeding him raw bones though.

If so, any ideas on what I can do? If only he would eat his dog food a few times a week. I'd like for him to eat the tasty foods he enjoys but also be healthy while doing it.

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I don't know anything about that particular supplement so really can't offer an opinion on it. I'm not sure what percentage of calcium in a supplement is good.

Have you looked into Honest Kitchen? It's a nutritionally complete food dehydrated food that's meant to be like home cooked food. They have some formulas with the meat already added, but others are base mixes that you can add meat to. It's a bit expensive, but since your dog is a toy breed it shouldn't be overly expensive. You can contact the company and they will send you out samples so you can see if your dog likes the food and which he likes best.

Here's some links so you can read up on the food if your interested in it

https://www.chewy.com/honest-kitchen...-free/dp/34266
https://www.thehonestkitchen.com/
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