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Old 07-15-2010, 07:54 PM
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Change in food = more poop

Hello,

I changed Simon (4 year old Mini Schnauzer, no health conditions) from vet food (Medi Cal Preventive) to Acana Lamb & Apple about a month ago. The transition went well and he loves the food; well, he loves any food Upon switching his food I immediately noticed that he now poops more. Where he used to poop 1-2 times a day, now he goes 3 times a day--sometimes even 4! And the amount he poops each time has increased too. The consistency is fine-quite compact and not mushy at all.

Should I be worried? Apart from being a bit inconvenient for me are frequent BMs something to avoid? And finally, what would be the reason for the increased BMs with the change in food?

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Hello,

I changed Simon (4 year old Mini Schnauzer, no health conditions) from vet food (Medi Cal Preventive) to Acana Lamb & Apple about a month ago. The transition went well and he loves the food; well, he loves any food Upon switching his food I immediately noticed that he now poops more. Where he used to poop 1-2 times a day, now he goes 3 times a day--sometimes even 4! And the amount he poops each time has increased too. The consistency is fine-quite compact and not mushy at all.

Should I be worried? Apart from being a bit inconvenient for me are frequent BMs something to avoid? And finally, what would be the reason for the increased BMs with the change in food?

Thanks!
The foods from the vet usually contain cellulose which is essentially saw dust or something like this that make those convenient little condensed poops.
The larger poops are a good thing don't worry. It will probably calm down after your dog adjusts to eating real food.
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No larger poops are not generally fine... a dog who had small consistant poos on one food then goes to larger formed yet prob. highly oderous poos is a sign of too much fiber in their diet or being fed too much. Compare nutritional labels for fiber, fats and proteins. Then look at the ingredients list and see if there is more fiber matter in the acana. Going from a veterinary grade food with simple ingredients to acana which has quite a diverse ingredients list your dog may not be absorbing all the nutrients as easily as he did the veterinary grade food. My boxer/am bully had that problem. On one food HUGE stinky formed poos and on another barely anything... very small stool content because he was absorbing and using most of what he was eating from the simpler food (4 Health from tractor supply if you were curious. It has like 6 ingredients). For a 70 lb dog he is leaving me stools the same size as my boston terrier. More ingredietns doesn't always mean it will react better with your dog. What seems appealing to us can actually be quite hard for them to process or use (hence it gets dispersed as waste) and personally I would worry about ANY food that has apples in it. How are they being processed? Are they including the seeds in that because if they are the seeds have a strychnine effect on dogs. Apple seeds are toxic to dogs.
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Since you can only edit for 10 minutes after a post (which is kinda silly IMO) here is more on my last post

If your vet had him on medi-cal preventative was it because of the concern for bladder/kidney stones that schnauzers are prone to?

Ya know what kills me about the acana food is this... "
ACANA ANIMAL INGREDIENTS ARE ETHOXYQUIN-FREE AND MADE EXCLUSIVELY FROM ANIMALS OF CANADIAN ORIGIN THAT ARE PASSED AS FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION . " then the first ingredient is this... "New Zealand lamb meal" Ok maybe it's just me but how is New Zealand lamb a Canadian product??? Is a new zealand lamb a specific breed of lamb or does it refer to geography?

IMO the acana has WAY too much vegtable/fruit matter for an animal that is suppose to be a carnivore.

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His poops are larger in volume but notg necessarily in feces size. Also, they are not stinky--they smell the same as they used to when he was on Medi-Cal Preventive. The vet didn't have him on that food. I did. The vet I goes to pushes Medi Cal and Hills so that's why I had him on the Preventive. And, I didn't know any better until lately when I looked into better foods.

How would I know if he is not absorbing the food properly?

This is the first I've heard of the warning for apples. I did hear about the apple seeds but a few people recomended this food to me (another forum) when I was trying to narrow down my choices. I wanted something a bit lower in fat (better for Schnauzers, and bc he sometimes doesn't get a lot of exercies). I wanted to feed him some grain free Orijen or grain free Acana but I was worried about the higher fat content.

Its very interesting what you noticed about the Acana and the New Zealand lamb. I think I will try contacting them to see what their response is.

I'm definately open to trying another food. What would you suggest? The main ones I was considering were the Orijen Adult or Senior or the Acaca Grain-Free line.

EDIT: I'm searching the Acana website but cannot find the quote about the ingredients being of Canadian origin. Can you give me the link for the page where you read that?

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IMO the acana has WAY too much vegtable/fruit matter for an animal that is suppose to be a carnivore.[/quote]

sorry dogs are omnivores and if you watch a animal in the wild they eat the stomach of the small animal which contains fruit and vegetable matter. One of my dogs loves fruit ,apples oranges watermelon bananas and when I make a green salad she begs for some. The foods the vets sell are the food companies that contributed during the time that vet was in school. They dont have and education in nutrition, they listen to the dog food companies, otherwise why would they prescribe foods that contain byproducts fragments of grains preservatives that cause cancer.
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sorry dogs are omnivores and if you watch a animal in the wild they eat the stomach of the small animal which contains fruit and vegetable matter. One of my dogs loves fruit ,apples oranges watermelon bananas and when I make a green salad she begs for some.
whoa hold up here... first off the debate if they are carnivores or omnivores is still up in the air really. secondly... i have horses who love to eat pizza (yes with pepperoni), hamburgers, etc. so does this make them omnivores? no, it means its just something they enjoy eating, doesnt mean it should be a staple of their diet.
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I'm not set on feeding him a grain free food specifically. It can have grains or not. I just want to pick a good food for him. Any other suggestions on what food I can try next. Sucks, because I just recently opened a 15lb bag of the Acana Lamb & Apple.
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A few things to think about when asking "what food". We can't tell you that... all we, or I can do is offer to teach YOU how to determine which food is good for your dog. I have posted severl links on other posts... I'll list the links to those posts in lieu of doing it all over again.

"The information on nutritional requirements you are looking for can be found on the AAFCO web site here:

Dog Food Standards by the AAFCO

What actually qualifies for dog food can be found at the FDA's web site here:

Pet Food Labels - General

and how to read a nutritional label so that you can actually buy a decent food that will be good for your dog with out paying an arm and a leg can be found here:

The Dog Food Project - Identifying better products

Very Skinny German Shep. Will this work? post # 19".

Hopefully this helps you make a good decision and have a better understanding of nutrition and what goes into our dog's food. BTW in my first reply I did mention 4 Health from Tractor Supply Company. I incuded a link as well. Here is the link where I posted the quote from the Acana about only using canadian products. http://www.prefurredpetsupply.com/st...%26-Apple.html it's in light grey under the product description.

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Dogs are mainly meat eaters HOWEVER they DO eat fruits in the wild and consume vegetables as well. I give fruit as a treat to my dogs. Its healthy for them and actually required in their diet.
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