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#1 ·
Ok, well I'm posting this because someone made a statement on another post of mine that my black/seal/whatever dog, Goon, was mixed with Pit (really don't care about that opinion that's fine. What I DO care about however was the statement that.....

"pitbulls are not a specific breed of dog but a specific type of dog, therefore they have many looks, but some similarities. Statistically your dog is more likely to be part pitbull than part shar pei, just look at how many pittys are out in the world, you see them around every corner, how often do you see shar pei's? while not completely rare, they are far less likely to be seen than your average pitbull"

Ok...so here is where I go off on a tizzy, but....I'm just going to copy and paste my response that I posted on my other thread.
Pit bulls do NOT cover an array of breeds and in fact are their own breed. People mistaking other breeds for pit bulls is why so many family pets in other countries are ripped from their owners and unjustly euthanized due to BSL laws. There are many "bully" breeds but that does not make them all 'pit bulls' and that aggravates me and agitates me to no end when people entwine the two because it costs dogs' lives and pushes BSL against Pits because a lot of attacks/maulings that occur are often said to be pit bull related when it reality it's another bully breed all together!

http://fox2now.com/2013/02/06/poll-can-you-spot-the-pitbull/
can you find the pit bull right off the bat? go ahead...tell me which one it is without cheating and pretend those are all your friends' dogs' lives on the line.

My fawn and white in my picture is an American Pit Bull Terrier. She is a "PUREBRED" (as pure as they come without all the mixing of breeds to make up her genetic outcome now as with most breeds these days) pit bull because pit bulls are a real breed.

Pit bulls are AMAZING dogs if trained right, bred right (though I believe if you can find the right dog/pup from a shelter it is better to adopt, goon as a rescue), and loved right. I'm a pit bull advocate and anti BSL and making statement as to how pit bulls cover a range of breeds really gets under my skin...
 
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#2 ·
Number three looks the closest.
I tend to use the term Pit bulls,for APBT's,non conformed Staffordshire terriers,and mixes of the two. A tiny bit of American bulldog are sometimes mixed in as well.
It's because there has been APBT's with the conformation of a Staffordshire terrier and I've seen Staffies have close conformation to Game Pits,so it's hard to be 100% sure. Plus they are from the same dog,and many act the same. I`ll only use the term APBT for dogs with proven bloodlines though.
 
#3 ·
(1) American Bulldog (2) Boerboel (3) Boxer (4) Bullmastiff (5) Ca de Bou (6) Cane Corso (7) Dogo Guatemaltco (8) Catahoula Bulldog (9) Corso Mastiff (10) English Bulldog (11) Labrador Retriever (12) Olde Boston Bulldog (13) Presa Canario (14) Rhodesian Ridgeback (15) Tosa Inu (16) American Allaunt (17) American Bandogge (18) Bandog (19) American Mastiff (20) Fila Brasileiro (21) Alano Espanol (22) Saint Bernard (23) Rottweiler (24) Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog

and those are just SOME of the dogs that are mistaken to be pit bulls.
 
#5 ·
I was reading an article recently on a new website (it was an old story from some time back, about a babysitter who turned her back and the pitbull attacked a young child and killed him) and there were people just losing it on the forums. Talking about the lockingjaw myth and just perpetuating BS!

Granted it's a horrible story, and it's tragic that this little boy died, but because no one was watching, they have no idea what triggered that dog.
They just are going on and on about how horrible the dog is, because of it's breed and that that woman should never have left that child unattended with a pitbull.

No one mentioned the fact that you should never leave a young child unattended with ANY dog, EVER! And no one mentioned that the dog could have been triggered by something. The child could have done something to the dog, someone could have over stimluated the dog, it could have been an aggressive dog due to poor breeding, but not that the breed itsself caused the dog to attack.
Obviously, dogs that people classify as "pitbull type dogs" are often DOG aggressive due to the fact they are are ultimately a game dog, with a high prey instinct but also theyre born and bred often times to fight other dogs. There dogs rate so high in so many aptitude tests and their deamenor is fantastic for people. These dogs are rarely EVER people aggressive, and because they are pitbulls doesn't mean they are destined to have dog aggression.

I hate people.
 
#7 ·
I think number 3, but I'm not positive. Some of the others look too big to me. Anyway, you are right, all dogs can be amazing regardless of what breed or mix they are. It's a matter of proper handling of the dog - unless of course there is a medical problem that can't be treated.
I haven't really researched it, but I was always under the impression that pitbull was actually a breed of dog and not a random mix of any of the "bully breeds".
It's a moot point where I live as they are not permitted in this city. But, I like the look of the bully breeds and would probably have one if they weren't outlawed here.
 
#8 ·
People just don't know breeds that well.
Weirdly I've seen Pit bulls and Boxers called Rottweilers,non cropped Dobermans get confused for Rottweilers as well. Siberian Huskies and Malamutes are continuously confused for one another,plus I can imagine all the other Husky and Spitz types breeds that would get bundled together. People tend to call their random gsd or husky mixes wolf hybrids. These could all make a difference in attack statistics.

Dobermans even though had low attack statistics for such a popular guard dog,and placed well in behavior tests still had a very bad rap. Infact I still see there bad rap existing today.
Belief that their brain was to large for their head which would make them go insane,bites that could cut you like scissors.
Rottweilers had a little bit of the lock jaw myth around them as well.

When I was a child I actually believed Pit bulls,Staffies,Rottweilers and Boxers had lock jaws.

Pit bulls are desired by bad people sense they can be a fighting and guard dog in a small convenient package. They are also cheap and easy to find.
So moving on to another dog breed will take plenty of time.

Right now their is a lot of fear of fighting dogs,that's why dogs like Dogo argentino's and Tosa Inus are banned,even though attack statistics are very low,and their rare.
 
#9 ·
The "Pit Bull" Or AMERICAN "PIT BULL" TERRIER is most certainly a breed and is actually recognized by many organizations as being so. It IS a pure bred dog if, like any other breed...carefully and well managed in its lineage.

United Kennel Club: American Pit Bull Terrier

NAPDR = North American Purebred Dog Registry
UKC = United Kennel Club
NKC = National Kennel Club
ADBA = The American Dog Breeders Association Inc.
CKC = Continental Kennel Club
APBR = The American Pit Bull Registry
APRI = American Pet Registry, Inc.
ACR = American Canine Registry

PBFSA = Pit Bull Federation of South Africa
DRA = Dog Registry of America, Inc.
BBC = Backwoods Bulldog Club
NAPR = North American Purebred Registry, Inc.​


all recognize pit bulls as a purebred 'breed' of dog, not a classification of multiple bully breeds..
 
#10 ·
Most of those kennel clubs are very laughable and crap.

i never said there is no such thing as a american pitbull terrier. there is very much so. But by law a pitbull is a type of dog. its like calling a collie a collie, there is different types.

a american pitbull terrier and a staffordshire bull terrier are the same thing for the most part aside form height and weight.

when adopting a dog from unknown lines that lookslike a pitbull type thats what its call. its a undefined breed of 3 differnt breeds who all are pretty much the same.
 
#44 ·
Pitbull is short for American Pitbull Terrier. There are not three different breeds that are all Pitbulls. There are different breeds that LOOK similar to the Pitbulls, and so people call them pits even though they are not.
 
#11 ·
Pit Bull dog" means (i) Pit Bull Terrier; or (ii) Staffordshire Bull Terrier; or (iii) American Staffordshire Terrier; or (iv) American Pit Bull Terrier; or
(vi) Any dog which has the appearance and physical characteristics predominantly conforming to the standards for any of the above breeds, as established by the Canadian Kennel Club or the American Kennel Club or the United Kennel Club ...as determined by a veterinarian licensed to practice in Manitoba
by bsl law this is what a pitbull is
 
#12 ·
I know APBT is an actual purebred breed of dog, I think it's actually a pretty rare breed. Near as I can tell most of the "pit bulls" you'll see in shelters across the country are mixes that resemble pit bulls.

Whether or not the "pit bull" is purebred or not it's owner bears a huge responsibility to "pit bull" dogs because if their dog gets out and and attacks a person or someone's pet the authorities, newspeople, and general public are going to go by the fact that the dog looks like a pit bull, and call it a pit bull. They are not going to care if that dog has 0 pit bull genes, 50% pit bull genes are is a full blooded pit bull, all that is going to matter is that it looks like a pit bull.

The problem is not with pit bulls, pit bull mixes, or dogs that resemble pit bulls, it's with bad owners. Owners who ignore a dogs behavioral problems, who leave small children unattended with the dog, who get a dog and seem to think it makes a really good lawn ornament, who think that their "pit bull" might like to romp with the dogs in the dog park.....
 
#13 ·
:ponder: my pit bull loves going to the dog park, is AMAZING with other dogs as long as they dont attack her and then of course she will defend herself. She has only gotten into 1 fight that drew blood where the other dog started it and kept perusing her and as soon as I yelled for her she came.

I trust her whole-heartedly with my daughter. And I honestly believe she could do anything to my dog and she would still just sit there. As I said on another post my daughter learndd to stand using prada to pull herself up, has ripped her lip accidently grabbimg her face. Now that she is 2 she jumps on her and rough houses with her and my dog loves her to death.

Givig a dog a loving home and raising it well will produce a good dog. Everyone that knows my dog says they would trust mine over their own, including their little daschunds and goldendoodles.

But mistaking pit bulls and other breeds is a problem. When pit bulls get blamed for the majority of dog attacks because dogs are mislabled that creates animosty towards the pit bull breed.
 
#14 ·
The problem I have with pits at dog parks is because even if they get in a fight, even if they did not start it, way to often they get the blame and it's another black mark against the breed as a whole. Pit bulls, pure bred APBTs, were bred to fight other dogs, they may not start a fight but by and large they will try there best to finish it. It's great that you can call your's off but most people can't and that's why I wrote what I did.

Raising a dog well does not always guarantee a good dog, genetics do play a part. That sweet little puppy who loved anyone, was never mistreated, went to a PR obedience class, was properly socialized, and always had plenty of food and water, has the potential to grow up to be HA, DA, and RG. Some behaviors can be lessened through training, some can be completely overcome, it just depends on the severity and the dog.

If you completely trust your dog with your daughter that's fine. I'm the opposite and I'm the opposite with all dogs. I had a dog who LOVED all kids and would let them do anything to her, but I never left her alone with a child. All it takes is one off day, the dog is in pain for whatever reason, or is feeling sick, the owner doesn't know it, and a child is bitten. I never wanted to take that chance with my dogs.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Perhaps a small dog park is better.
The one I have if most often empty and the most dogs I've seen in it is three.
Have the dogs meet before letting them play together as well.
Opposite genders works best.

The trouble is if a dog never interacts with another,when it does it may react badly. Interacting is part of socialization. I understand the worry about it,and some dogs it is best to avoid such situations.
Not all dogs have other dogs to play with,or have owners with fenced yards.

It's not always the Pits that get the blame,one attacked my Rottie on a walk while he was leashed,but it was my dog that got the blame for it.
The dog that does the most damage can be the one who gets the blame.
 
#17 · (Edited)
the incident actually wasn't at the dog park. she has never had any problems at the dog park and i'm not going to punish my well-behaved dog who also has her good citizenship award who loves to play with other dogs and is at her happiest when she is playing with a bunch of dogs because of other peoples' narrow-mindness. and that is exactly the problem!

in all the times I've taken her I've only run into a select few humans that have snubbed their noses at her and the others have actually told me to bring her back because she's the 'center of the party' as they put it....they all just run and run and run as soon as she gets in the gate until they end up tired, laying in a heap together for a rest and they start again.


german shepherds are used by police to take down criminal suspects but people keep them as pets and aren't told not to let them out in public or keep them in their homes for fear of them turning on people.

many dogs were/are bred for certain reasons. that doesn't mean all of those dogs do those jobs well. there are border collies that...while you may try and train them to herd, the dog just doesn't have it in them or even if you never train it to herd and you train it to keep that instinct at bay...it's not going to run after small farm animals every chance it gets because that's what it was bred to do.

so to say that pit bulls were bred to fight other dogs and I should keep my dog out of a dog park where she is happiest is completely illogical....

oh! a chihuahua did attack my pit at the dog park, my pit ran away from her. though she did step on her a bit and got her completely muddy and she looked like a drowned rat. it was pretty comical. I felt bad and apologized for the muddy mess but the owner apologized for her dog attacking mine and laughed about her muddy dog. meh.
 
#19 ·
My replies are in blue

the incident actually wasn't at the dog park. she has never had any problems at the dog park and i'm not going to punish my well-behaved dog who also has her good citizenship award who loves to play with other dogs and is at her happiest when she is playing with a bunch of dogs because of other peoples' narrow-mindness. and that is exactly the problem!

We're not being narrow minded, we're being realistic. Look I used to bring my two dogs to a dog park. I never saw one fight while I was there, but I did see a few near ones, and I did hear about more then one that occurred while I wasn't there.

in all the times I've taken her I've only run into a select few humans that have snubbed their noses at her and the others have actually told me to bring her back because she's the 'center of the party' as they put it....they all just run and run and run as soon as she gets in the gate until they end up tired, laying in a heap together for a rest and they start again.

In the behavior section of the forum there's a thread that Beretw took her quote from, I also replied in that thread. In my reply I wrote that dog parks are like you describe until they aren't. You're playing russian roulette when you go because there may be that one time that that awesomely fun place that you've been going to becomes hell. That goes for all dogs that go not just pit bulls. So please don't feel that we on dog forum think it's the pits that shouldn't be going. We feel that all dogs shouldn't go because the places are an accident waiting to happen.

german shepherds are used by police to take down criminal suspects but people keep them as pets and aren't told not to let them out in public or keep them in their homes for fear of them turning on people.

GSD's, Dobermans, Rottweilers, and all dogs that are used for guarding or police work are not bred to be human aggressive, they are trained for bite work, to them it's a game, same as sniffing drugs it's part of a game. APBTs were, and in some cases still are, bred to be dog aggressive. You cannot get around that fact. Some members on here own APBTs and APBT mixes and they will tell you exactly what I am staying. It's not that we do not love Pitties, we do, it's that they studied the breed, and I because I wished to be able to argue intelligently with fools who seem to think that pit bulls are monsters also studied the breed. APBTs are very often dog aggressive, but they should NEVER be people aggressive.

many dogs were/are bred for certain reasons. that doesn't mean all of those dogs do those jobs well. there are border collies that...while you may try and train them to herd, the dog just doesn't have it in them or even if you never train it to herd and you train it to keep that instinct at bay...it's not going to run after small farm animals every chance it gets because that's what it was bred to do.

You're right there are pit bulls that are not dog aggressive, that does not matter in the eyes of the public. If that dog manages seriously harm another dog, even though it's only defending itself, and it makes the news, you'll see the pit bull being vilified. That's why I and a couple of others hate to see a pit bull put into a situation where that could happen. Such as a pit bull at a dog park. It's not because we don't like pit bulls, it's because we love them and do not want to see another black mark against the breed.

so to say that pit bulls were bred to fight other dogs and I should keep my dog out of a dog park where she is happiest is completely illogical....

oh! a chihuahua did attack my pit at the dog park, my pit ran away from her. though she did step on her a bit and got her completely muddy and she looked like a drowned rat. it was pretty comical. I felt bad and apologized for the muddy mess but the owner apologized for her dog attacking mine and laughed about her muddy dog. meh.

Can you imagine what would have happened if it wasn't your dog but another pit bull that wasn't as tolerant? Do you think the story would have been the chi attacked a dog at the dog park today and the dog killed it, or do you think it would have been told, "An evil pit bull attacked a poor little chi at the dog park today and murdered it!!!" ?
You're Pit may be different but it just takes one time and your dogs life is in jeopardy, why take that chance?
 
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#18 ·
I guess I just see it as...my dog should have every right as any other dog. she shouldn't be looked down upon just because of her breed, I feel like that is like looking down upon my husband because he is 50% iraqi yet he's in the army and serves our country and works his butt off to support his family and is an amazing person, catholic, but gets judged by his looks before his personality or who he is.

I love my dog, I know she's not my child...but she's like my child. And just like we don't get to pick who we are, she didn't pick to be a pit bull. But I've never seen any dog who's eyes are more expressive, who acts more human, who seems like she knows what you're actually saying and feeling and is the dictionary definition of man's best friend. And I've always liked pit bulls, I've known and know a lot of great pits, but I dunno...maybe its just cuz i'm her mama or maybe you'd have to meet her but shes something special :)
 
#21 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok there are a bunch of myths that are being thrown around here as facts.

1. A pit bull is an actual breed. Just because people use a shortened name when they say what they have means nothing. People say that they have a Shepard instead of a GSD, a Rott instead of Rottweiler, Dobe or Doberman instead of Doberman pincher the list goes on forever it doesn't mean that the dogs are not a breed.

2. Pitts and am staffs do not have a "fight" gene they have a very loyal gene and will do ANYTHING to please their owner. If the owner wants them to fight they will die making them happy. If the owner wants them to be a loving family member and raises them as that, that's what they will be. It’s sad that we have a bunch of people that want to take a great dog and raise them to be a killer that doesn't mean that the breed is bad. If a family had 19 kids and raised them all to be assassins and rapist you wouldn't look at what they did and say all humans should be put to death.

3. My parents used to breed and rescue am staffs and apbts (plus a few other bully breeds) and when I moved out I bred them as well. When I was a kid we had a few hundred pups born and a couple hundred adult rescues come and go plus 50+ adults we had raised. Out of all the pups and adults that we had as ours when I started to crawl I would use them as toys and teething rings. Id pull on their ears/tails to get up I would fall of the couch onto their backs step on their tails basically put them through hell and the only thing they did was lick me in the face (I know evil breed huh). When I moved out and had my oldest son he would do the same with our dog and my parents. Never do I remember any of them ever even thinking of showing anything that would even come close to aggression.

Now when it came to the rescues that's a little bit of a different story. We had some come in that were just raised poorly and even some that were trained to be killers. We worked hard with them and had a very good success rate. Out of all that came to us only a hand full had to be put down. A couple for just being treated bad for too long and were too aggressive but most was because they were just too sick.

We have kept in touch with more than 95% of the people that either adopted a rescued dog from us or bought a puppy and not one has ever shown any aggression. That also goes to all of the breeders that we know.

4. When you turn on the news and hear a report of a dog attack and they claim it’s a pit I promise you 80% if not more the dog had no pit in them and the other 20% were people that mistreated their dogs. I myself have been bit twice and my son once. Neither of our bites was from a dog that people want to put on the aggressive dog list. Those lists are made of by people that don’t know what they are talking about and used to make people pay more money for things like homeowners. The same people that make those lists are the same people that want you to believe that Burmese pythons could live in upstate New York and not die from freezing.

Sorry for the rant I just hate when people regurgitate false info that people want to shove down our throats.
 
#22 ·
The misinformation and irresponsibility going on this thread is giving me a headache. Facepalming so hard I think my ring has left an imprint..

Firstly, kibrahim1989, I think you really need to learn more about the breed you (and I) adore so much. With all due respect, you don't seem have much knowledge or experience when it comes to bully breeds.

I highly suggest you read more topics/threads on this forum (Maybe just search 'Pit Bull' and skim/find the threads in which this breed and BSL have already been discussed and debated to the point that even replying to this thread is beating a dead horse..).

Read the informative articles linked in some threads, the responses from some of the highly knowledgeable and experienced bully breed owners here on DF, and read any books that have been suggested.

I hope Beret doesn't mind me suggesting this, but if you go through her posts, you will find some VERY important responses, advice and factual information there. You need to read her replies about the importance of keeping bully breeds (And all breeds really, but we pretty much all agree on that here on DF) OUT of dog parks.

My best friend's Pit Bull is usually great with other dogs, but like yours, has mostly backed down from other dogs trying to start a fight, but once or twice has reacted and fought back, and has shown that she can win a fight if she needs to.
Her girl has NEVER seen a dog park, and never will. Not just because there's that small chance that she'll get into a fight, but because she will never risk her favorite breed getting another bad rap, (Not to mention possible vet bills or legal bills) because they were put in a situation they should NOT be in.

An educated Pit Bull owner, that loves, respects and truly knows their breed, will never, ever take their Pit Bull to a public dog park.

I'm really not trying to be rude here with all of this, but you're actually being selfish, in a very human way, when it comes to taking her to the park, because she may have fun, but a) she can have plenty of fun on play dates with other dogs, in controlled environments, and b) she doesn't need 'doggy friends' at dog parks, especially when it risks her safety, her socialization, her reputation as a bully breed, etc.

771Subliminal: You, my dear, need to educate yourself before you attempt to educate other people. You are also highly misinformed, but also ignorant, with a dash of arrogance.
I don't mean to attack you personally in saying that, but if you're going to come here and post a reply using the F word much too frequently for this forum, and passive aggressively insult our members, you need to actually know what the hell you're talking about.

You claim your family raised these dogs your entire life, and yet you not only know nothing of the genetic make-up of the breeds, or their predispositions...oh forget it, i'll address the entire post (though hopefully someone will post something more informative and with more patience than I have for this right now lol.)

1) You have no clue what you're talking about. I'll let Beret or someone else handle this one.

2) You have no clue what you're talking about. Not only do they have a genetic predisposition to be inherently dog-aggressive, it's not "All in how you raise them", not for any breed, really. Genetics play a huge role in any dog's life, but for the APBT it's even more so.

--"If a family had 19 kids and raised them all to be assassins and rapist you wouldn't look at what they did and say all humans should be put to death."
--No, no I wouldn't. But you're not thinking past the media frenzy and the surface of the prejudism surrounding this breed, you're really not. If this is your bleeding heart BSL argument, you may want to read this article (And try to find others like it):

Five Foolproof Tips for Better “Pit Bull” Advocacy | The Unexamined Dog

3) With how little you know about this breed, if your parents do not know at least 10 times what you do, and just didn't pass it along to you, it sounds like your family was backyard breeding.

Also, what your Mother let you do as a toddler and what you let your own son do is atrocious, and how babies get bitten. No matter how genetically or temperamentally sound the dog is, it is NEVER a good idea to let toddlers grab at, squeeze or gnaw on them or "put them through hell".

It is not only immensely unfair to the dog to put it through that for the sake of forcing the dog to accept children, it's unfair to the child to put it in such a dangerous position, and allow him/her to do things that could literally get them killed, as well as the dog (in most cases).

You never remember anything close to aggression growing up, but clearly neither you or your mother know how to read a dog's body language.

Guaranteed your dogs did not always like the things they were having done to them by children. No dog LIKES those things for cryin' out loud.

4) So not only have you been bitten (shocking), but your son has, and you seriously think that the way you allow him to interact with dogs is ok?! Seriously?

You need to MAJORLY rethink how you've taught your child to interact with dogs. Here are some informative articles I would highly suggest reading:

Advice For All Parents Of Young Children | IAABC Dog Blog

Kids and Dogs: How Kids Should and Should Not Interact with Dogs | Animal Behavior and Medicine Blog | Dr. Sophia Yin, DVM, MS

Mamas, Don’t Let Your Babies Get “Magnetized” to Dogs | Dogs and Babies

I'm going to end my rant with the same line you gave, because I guess I hate that too. ;)

"Sorry for the rant I just hate when people regurgitate false info that dumb ass people want to shove down our throats."
 
#32 ·

771Subliminal: You, my dear, need to educate yourself before you attempt to educate other people. You are also highly misinformed, but also ignorant, with a dash of arrogance.
I don't mean to attack you personally in saying that, but if you're going to come here and post a reply using the F word much too frequently for this forum, and passive aggressively insult our members, you need to actually know what the hell you're talking about.

You claim your family raised these dogs your entire life, and yet you not only know nothing of the genetic make-up of the breeds, or their predispositions...oh forget it, i'll address the entire post (though hopefully someone will post something more informative and with more patience than I have for this right now lol.)
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I know very well what aggression looks like in dogs (as well as other species) I’ve seen it far too many times in the rescues that weve gotten. The wording “put those dogs through hell” was a very bad choice of wording. Never have I or my children actually harmed any of our dogs annoyed a little bit but never harmed.

As for not knowing the breed, I’d have to disagree completely with you there. Backyard breeders we are not, we have done everything we can to improve the breed and are very selective when we breed.

Yes my son and myself have both been bitten by dogs but they were not our dogs.
My son was bit when he was 6 yrs. old and he reached through a fence to grab a ball and the neighbor’s dog jumped at his arm and bit him.
1st time I was bit I was around 12 yrs. old was riding my bike around and was attacked by a stray mutt in the area. 2nd time I was dating a girl and I smacked her on the ass a little bit and her lab grabbed hold of my hand and did some serious damage my hand hasn’t been the same since.
You don’t know me or what I have done what so ever but yet want to call me out and say I know nothing. I stand by how I was raised around dogs and how I raise my children around them also how I raise the dogs themselves. I have a lot of children come around my house nieces, nephews, neighbors kids etc and I trust each and every one of my dogs completely around them.
 
#23 ·
Since have never owned a pit will not comment on the breed itself but instead a dog generalized comment.
I have 2 smaller dogs now. Beagle and a pointer mix neither would hurt a fly or bite but I would still not leave a small child alone with them.
Prior to these 2 I owned a shepard and a shi tzu this is when my child was in the house (he is old now) and I still would not leave him alone with them.
It only takes the one time that the dog decides this child is annoying the poop out of me and I need to bite him to get him to leave me alone. And do not care big dog little dog pit bull or shi tzu no kid deserves to be bit and most times a small child (2-3 yrs old) has no concept of warning growls and such.
Also a dog is an animal/pet not a babysitter or toy or a piece of furniture to help your child learn to walk.
Just my opinion.
 
#34 ·
Since have never owned a pit will not comment on the breed itself but instead a dog generalized comment.
I have 2 smaller dogs now. Beagle and a pointer mix neither would hurt a fly or bite but I would still not leave a small child alone with them.
Prior to these 2 I owned a shepard and a shi tzu this is when my child was in the house (he is old now) and I still would not leave him alone with them.
It only takes the one time that the dog decides this child is annoying the poop out of me and I need to bite him to get him to leave me alone. And do not care big dog little dog pit bull or shi tzu no kid deserves to be bit and most times a small child (2-3 yrs old) has no concept of warning growls and such.
Also a dog is an animal/pet not a babysitter or toy or a piece of furniture to help your child learn to walk.
Just my opinion.



What do you do when you go to the bathroom? Do you lock the dogs up really quick or take the child to the bathroom with you? What about when your on the other side of the room from your child do you make sure your dog is too cuz unless your superman you wont make it there on time?
If your that afraid of how you dog is trained don’t have a dog.
 
#27 ·
And to clarify...yes. He is wearing a t-shirt. I dress my dog and still manage to keep a level head when it comes to the fact that he is a dog and should be trusted as far as... trusting him to behave like a dog and like his genetics dictate.

FWIW, my dog plays with other dogs too without ripping their throats out. I still don't take him to the dog park.
 
#29 · (Edited)
If you want to take your pit bull to the dog park, that's on you. I think it's a stupid idea and that you're being highly irresponsible and putting your dog and others in jeopardy, but it's your decision. I sincerely hope that you never have an incident, both for the sake of your dog and the others in the park, for the reputation of the breed, and for the reputation of pit bull owners--- the JQP already thinks we're either irresponsible, thugs, or both.

But.

You need to stop advising others to follow your lead. Now. So many people come to this forum looking for advice and guidance. Posts like those from kibrahim and subliminal are dangerous and perpetuating this misinformation is killing our breed.

Do what you want with your dog, but DO NOT EVER suggest that others practice the same irresponsibility.

I'm saying all this BECAUSE I love bully breeds and irresponsible ownership and management is what causes BSL and other absurd, discriminatory practices that are absolutely ruining the breed.

Megs!

Rainbows yay rainbows!!!!!! :)
 
#30 ·
That was an interesting read beretw. It's important for people to learn what their breed is like and in some cases the breeding history. My own dog is bred to hunt elk and they are known to be very dificult to call back, impossible if they find something to chase.

I can't just assume I've trained the genes out of her. I'd think the same goes for pits, and most other dogs.
 
#31 ·
I Think it was number 3 on that list but i wouldn't put money on that (or the poor dogs life!) I don't even see why they are a banned breed here in the UK. If they want to ban American Pit bull Terriers because they are "dangerous dogs" then why not the Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Jack Russell, Yorkshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier? Personally I see it as a pointless law as all of the breeds I have mentioned, I know more than one person who has been bitten by them. Don't get me wrong though I love all dogs especially German Shepherds.
 
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Subliminal...

All others points you made aside...

Could you walk me through your selection process when you breed? Better yet, could you tell me the reason behind the last litter you produced?

Why were the particular sire and dam chosen? In what activities do you compete with your dogs? The show ring? Weight pull? Other dog sports? Hog hunting? And what titles and accomplishments have your dogs earned in your events and venues of choice? What health testing do you choose to employ?

Are your dogs registered UKC, ADBA, or both? I'd love to know how your last litter was bred, if you'd be so kind as to share a ped.

Considering your views on the breed differ substantially from most every fancier and respected breeder I've talked to, I'm just curious to learn a bit more about the way you run your breeding program!

Oh and I'm sure it was an accidental oversight on your part, but perhaps we got off on the wrong foot because you spelled it "Pitts" in article two of first post on this thread. Naturally, I assume anyone with years of experience and extensive knowledge of the breed would spell it correctly. I must have misinterpreted your obvious typo as indication of... A level of experience and expertise far less than what you actually possess. My apologies!

I have a lot of respect for ethical and responsible breeders working to preserve and improve the APBT, so I really look forward to whatever wisdom you can impart!
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