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Old 10-29-2010, 08:25 PM
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Pedigree Vs Mutt

I hate the term mutt, how are they 'lower' quality? just because the parents weren't the same breed? Were all breeds not made from combinations of other breeds? Maybe if people stopped being so caught up on it, a few beautiful new breeds may surface.

I personally think its all a big scam, made for the CKC and AKC clubs to make money. All breeds were made by pairing a few different breeds, so who are they to say whats quality and whats not?

I don't agree with breeds being mixed willy nilly by BYB's. Obviously it should be done right to compliment and improve on the dogs features by good responsible breeders. But can we seriously stop calling them purebred and mutts and just call them dogs or at least mix breeds?

For example the long hair chihuahua was made from adding the papillion and the breed standards permit a dog that if you didn't know their genetics (and the CKC called them purebred + registered) you would just think was litterally a chihuahua pap 50/50 mix. I've seen some show chihuahua who had straight up pug noses and were champions... plus they were registered - like wtf!

After researching into showing, that seems to be a waste of time too. Sigh

If someone can explain the logic behind purebred dogs... I'd be more than happy to hear.
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To put it basically, because frankly you're being kind of rude, dog breeds were bred for jobs. Companions, workers, setters, field dogs. So they started breeding for jsut those qualities, and didn't want to dilute them.

Then you have shows, which started making people more interested in looks than the dogs' working abilities. Thus. Shows, and pedigree.
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To put it basically, because frankly you're being kind of rude, dog breeds were bred for jobs. Companions, workers, setters, field dogs. So they started breeding for jsut those qualities, and didn't want to dilute them.

Then you have shows, which started making people more interested in looks than the dogs' working abilities. Thus. Shows, and pedigree.
this... plus

look at all the breeds there are... hundreds of them. why do we need more? youre telling me out of ALL those breeds there is not ONE that fits your needs? (this is something i bring up when people want to buy a mixed breed from a "breeder") on top of that all the breeds we have have HEALTH ISSUES. this is where the reputable breeders come in. the biggest goal would be to get the temperament, conformation, and health right on these breeds we have now. we obviously dont have that. so why in the world do we need yet more breeds with health issues?
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I hate arguing over mutts and how they shouldnt be produced because I love mutts but they really shouldnt be in such high numbers. That is all I wanted to say, because tho I do not support byb I am owned by 3 maybe 4 mutts (not sure if Wendy is PB chi or not lol) and love them dearly. I hope my little rant made sense....
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I am not fond of the term "Mutts or Mongrels" either...but that is just me.
It's often said with an air of indignance which I find somewhat offensive.
Does it ruin my day? No
Do I pity those who think they have a superior companion because it is a purebred?
Yes, actually I do.
Do I feel the need to get my hate on for purebred, showdogs, etc?
Not at all.
Do I love, adore, and care for my Mixed breed dog any less than I do my purebreds?
No
Do I care what others think of my dogs?
HAHA Not in the least.

Their opinion of me or my choice of dogs, does NOT shape who I am and simply doesn't matter.

I'm not just a fan of Mixed breeds or just a fan of Purebred dogs, I am Huge a fan of dogs.

I wont even get into the whole debate of how breeds came about and what work needs to go into the making of new breeds because basically it's all been said and honestly it doesn't interest me anymore but I will say that there are just as many breed snobs out there, as there are mixed breed snobs who swear up and down that what they have is better, healthier, more morally justified, more intelligent, more useful than what YOU have. To me, those are just very closed minded individuals who are not usually in any position to engage in intelligent conversation anyway, so I don't bother.

I could be wrong but I do believe in the Cat World there are 2 basic ways to classify them - "Pedigree and Non-pedigree" At least that was what I learned playing pet Trivia...lol
I think it's a much less offensive way to classify them and leaves less room for the condescending tone that usually describes a typical "Mutt"
But people will call em' like they see em', I guess - so all you can do is not let their opinions/remarks hold any real value in your mind. That's just how I see it...*Shrugs*
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I see you've made some incorrect assumptions on things.

The word mutt has no inference towards quality, good or bad. It's the context of the conversation and the intentions of the speaker that give any sort of conotation to quality. Mutt simply means a dog of unknown mixed heritage. It is the correct term to use for dogs of unknown origin and no offense should be taken from its useage.

Not everybreed out there was developed as a combintion of breeds. If that were the case then how was the first breed ever created? Lots of breeds were created by diverging types. Almost always they were created for a specific purpose and selected only for those traits that were neciscary to that job.

The Kennel clubs make no assertions to the quality of a dog registered with them, they just prove its parentage. People choose to own purebreds becausethey want predictabilty for temperment, looks, health, etc.. With a mixed breeds or mutts you don't have any predictabilty and don't know what you're gonna get and could end up with a dog that doesn't suityou at all.

I don't know what research you did on showing, but it's not just a beauty contest. Perhaps you can elaborate more on why you feel it's a waste of time. The main idea of conformation showing is to evaluate breeding stock; and itcan be a whole lota fun. If you're not interested in breeding or having fun then it would be understanding why it's a waste of time to you.
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I love my mutt VERY much. I do not ming the word mutt and I actualy take pride in the name! But would I want others like my mutt running around???? NO never. All the "designer" breeds are the stupidest thing I have ever herd of. It's a mutt and there is nuthing wrong with a mutt.

ok I'll get off my soap box now. :P
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I agree. When I hear the term mutt? I don't think anything of it. I've said to Kryesor more than once when greeting him, "Hey mutt." That was usually when I needed to get his attention. When people as what breed my dog is, I tell them, he is an alaskan husky. Not a Siberian mixed with a Malamute. A straight honest alaskan husky mutt. (I only know his mother was an alaskan husky mutt also, as for his father... I have no clue so mutt is what I will often say after alaskan husky.)

I see no difference in anything about pedigree 'purebred' and mutts. To me they are all the same thing. Dogs. Just my .02 cents. (I stole that phrase from a member here. )
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I hate the term mutt, how are they 'lower' quality? just because the parents weren't the same breed? Were all breeds not made from combinations of other breeds? Maybe if people stopped being so caught up on it, a few beautiful new breeds may surface.

I personally think its all a big scam, made for the CKC and AKC clubs to make money. All breeds were made by pairing a few different breeds, so who are they to say whats quality and whats not?

I don't agree with breeds being mixed willy nilly by BYB's. Obviously it should be done right to compliment and improve on the dogs features by good responsible breeders. But can we seriously stop calling them purebred and mutts and just call them dogs or at least mix breeds?

For example the long hair chihuahua was made from adding the papillion and the breed standards permit a dog that if you didn't know their genetics (and the CKC called them purebred + registered) you would just think was litterally a chihuahua pap 50/50 mix. I've seen some show chihuahua who had straight up pug noses and were champions... plus they were registered - like wtf!

After researching into showing, that seems to be a waste of time too. Sigh

If someone can explain the logic behind purebred dogs... I'd be more than happy to hear.

I understand where you are coming from. I have owned Purebreds and Mixes. I remember while walking Zack(Lab Mix) and Neiko(Purebred Siberian Husky) everyone ooohing and awwwing over Neiko and not giveing Zack a second glance and I'm there thinking that Zack is a better dog a thousand times over even though he is a mix and maybe not as pretty. And it did bother me for awhile but finally I decided that it didn't matter, I know my dogs and I know that one being Purebred does not make it better than the Mutt.
I actually prefer Mutts over Purebreds for my personal dogs but Purebreds do have their place as has been mentioned above. I refer to my dogs as Mutts occasionally and I don't mean it in a bad or degrading way at all and I am proud of my wonderful little Mutts who I wouldn't trade for the best Purebred in the world. I know there are some people out there who do use the term Mutt in a demeaning manor but I just proudly respond with "yes he/she is a mutt and the best dog ever "and the conversation is over. I think the same thing happens when people think that because you got a dog as a puppy from a breeder then it's better than a dog from the shelter and obviously that's not true. Just try and not let it bother you as much
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Sorry I was not meaning to start an argument or offend anyone.

I understand that breeds have purposes... but who can decide which ones can be called purebred and which ones mutts. I'm not ranting over how people use it... just the terms in general. For example I learned a few weeks ago that the SPCA charge more for dogs that appear purebred, over the obvious mutts. Are the breeds perfect? Could they not be improved? Couldn't features of other dogs be worked in and that be considered an improvement instead of a mutt?


How are these dogs purebred chihuahuas? They are obviously just an AKC registerable designer breed of Chihuahua X Papillion. If BYB's had come up with it first, long haired chihuahuas wouldn't exist.... people who bred them because they are beautiful would be flamed for breeding mutts.

I understand that breeds offer consistency in temperament... but if your breeding dogs you should know their temperaments and other dogs in the line in depth... so then you would pair them together to compliment each others temperament too - and therefore yes you would know the pups would have good temperaments.

About the shows, I am more so on about Canadian shows. I was planning to show my Chihuahua so have been doing research and reviewing the past years winners and champions. There seems to be no consistency or visual improvements. Some have stuck up pig noses, some long and skinny, some have long backs and legs, some are more boxed shaped, some have tails curled onto their back, some have short straight tails. Surely breeds must be making improvements each year, so they must be getting better and better. Non of them really conform to all the breed standards.. some were even over 6lbs, its very disappointing.

Out of the breeds there are tons that meet my needs. You know I'd really love a great danes... but their short life span (6-9 years) puts me off. Could this not be improved by crossing them to a healthy line. With selective breeding you could keep the look to the breed standards but improve health etc. Please don't get me wrong I'm not talking about just taking two pretty mutts and making puppies... I'm talking about carefully mapped out pairings with long term goals by good breeders.
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