Collie Breeders Advice

Go Back   Dog Forum > Other Dogforum Interests > Dog Breeds

Collie Breeders Advice

This is a discussion on Collie Breeders Advice within the Dog Breeds forums, part of the Other Dogforum Interests category; We are in the process of researching rough/smooth collie breeders. I would like some clarification about health testing. I see one breeder (Garlind Ridge Collies) ...

User Tag List

Like Tree8Likes

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-13-2017, 02:12 PM
  #1
Junior Member
 
tmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Collie Breeders Advice

We are in the process of researching rough/smooth collie breeders. I would like some clarification about health testing.

I see one breeder (Garlind Ridge Collies) only uses completely "clear" dogs for breeding, whereas another breeder (Romany Collies) uses some mildly affected dogs for breeding (but has a 5 year guarantee and a policy of taking back any of their dogs at any time and sounds great otherwise). Both seem like really good breeders, but does the fact that Romany doesn't use fully cleared dogs mean they are less responsible? So far Garlind Ridge is the only breeder I have come across who uses fully clear dogs. It's all a bit overwhelming! Any clarification would be much appreciated.

We are leaning towards a smooth collie, but Garlind Ridge only has rough collies.

If anyone has any breeders they love (in the Pacific Northwest, ideally), please share!
Thanks! I have already learned so much scouring every collie comment I could come across on here
KodaKeet likes this.
tmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2017, 08:49 AM
  #2
Senior Member
 
revolutionrocknroll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Vermont
Posts: 2,180
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I think it comes down to whether you feel comfortable with that breeder's ethics and financially supporting them, and if you want to take that risk with your puppy. I don't necessarily feel like deciding if someone's a reputable breeder or a bad breeder always has a clear cut black and white answer.

I don't know much about collies specifically so maybe others can give you better advice. What specific health test/condition are you referring to? By "mildly affected" do you mean they're only carriers of genetic conditions? Or is it something like hip dysplasia where mildly affected means they actually have the condition?
revolutionrocknroll is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2017, 09:10 AM
  #3
Dog Forum ModeraTHOR
 
jclark343's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 6,435
Mentioned: 1256 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Honestly, looking at both breeder's sites, I don't think you can go wrong with either. Although the one breeder does have dogs that may be carriers, they do offer a 5 year guarantee which should be above and beyond the time it will take for something to present itself.

Of course I have no idea about Collies and genetics but I would feel comfortable with purchasing from either breeder.
jclark343 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 03-15-2017, 03:33 PM
  #4
Junior Member
 
tmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks for your feedback! I'm glad to have someone look at the websites and confirm that they are ok. I have read many conflicting things about what is responsible collie breeding, wrt trying to get rid of the breed specific health issues completely versus breeding carriers/mildly affected animals who have the right temperament etc.. At first it seemed that no one bred dogs that were completely clear, but after doing some more digging I have found a few (including Garlind Ridge), which made me question the other breeders choice to breed dogs that aren't completely clear. But I agree that Romany Collies sounds really great overall. (I have always just adopted mixed rescues so this breeder stuff is new to me - I want to make sure I am doing it right!)
Thanks again
tmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2017, 03:50 PM
  #5
cos
Senior Member
 
cos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: The beautiful Pacific Northwest!
Posts: 825
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I'm also looking for a RCC! I actually found Romany collies so I'm interested to look more into them :-) when are you looking to getting a pup?
cos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 02:29 AM
  #6
Senior Member
 
revolutionrocknroll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Vermont
Posts: 2,180
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
It's fine to breed carriers as long as you breed with a clear dog. Then the offspring will be clear or carriers but won't actually have the disorder and it won't affect them.

If you were to breed two carriers together then the offspring would have a 25% chance of having the disorder. So I would watch out for that.
KodaKeet and cos like this.
revolutionrocknroll is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 10:41 AM
  #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 902
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by revolutionrocknroll View Post

I don't know much about collies specifically so maybe others can give you better advice. What specific health test/condition are you referring to?
Their eyes
DriveDog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 03:41 AM
  #8
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Nashville TN
Posts: 42
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Is it the Mdr1 gene you are referring to? If so, it won't affect any aspect of the life of the dog except the heartworm medication and anesthesia you can give them. Even with N/N dogs I prefer to err on the side of caution and not give them anything I wouldn't give to an M/M dog. The advantage of breeding some mildly affected dogs is you can open up your options so your gene pool isn't as closed off if excluding all dogs that aren't N/N.

Is this the gene you were referring to or is it another? Some clarification would be helpful as it depends entirely on which health problem you're referring to.

Also, just a quick tip that I thought would be helpful. Since you are leaning towards a smooth and GR do not breed them, I noticed while quickly skimming GR's website that some of their puppies seem to carry a lot of coat factor. I went to their dog pages to locate what health test you were referring to and noticed that they have some Clarion Collies in their line which tend to carry tons of coat factor even for a Collie. If you wanted to acquire a Collie from them I would be mindful of making it apparent that you didn't want too much fluff.
brnewman likes this.
Lassie0811 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 10:25 AM
  #9
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Nashville TN
Posts: 42
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I also forgot to mention, it's incredibly short notice, but the Collie Nationals start tomorrow and are located in Sacramento, California this year. I thought I'd mention it in case you were close enough and wanted to make a trip to go see the show. You'll get to meet breeders, handlers, and other fanciers and can ask them questions if you are curious about anything, while getting to know the lines of dogs there.

Herding starts tomorrow and goes until the next day, Sunday. Agility starts the 20th, this Monday, and goes until the 21st. Conformation goes from the 22nd, a Wednesday, until the 25th, a Saturday. It might be too short notice or too far but I figured I'd at least make sure you were aware because it's a great opportunity.
jclark343 likes this.
Lassie0811 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 03:16 PM
  #10
Junior Member
 
tmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
revolutionrocknroll: Not for a while! I like to research stuff before I decide anything. We were thinking sooner than later, but recently our 11 year old guy is having some health issues, so we will wait until that resolves before bringing a rambunctious puppy into his world. I can't wait though! Good luck with your search. Romany looks great.
KodaKeet likes this.

Last edited by tmer; 03-17-2017 at 03:19 PM.
tmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Moved into household with older dog. health advice please! nightmouse231 Dog Health 2 12-07-2016 07:01 PM
Controlling Bruno's fixations!- Border Collie advice. BrunoTheCollie Dog Training and Behavior 2 09-06-2016 04:44 PM
Border Collie Owners lovenoel Dog Breeds 7 08-13-2016 02:48 AM
advice needed: any reputable Labrador Breeders in texas? charlie458 General Dog Discussion 3 02-24-2016 06:33 PM
Husky Training Advice needed!! freespiritwonder Dog Training and Behavior 3 11-14-2015 07:43 PM


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.