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Old 08-31-2010, 05:35 AM
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A Slight Problem.

Okay, I have a slight problem that had just recently came to my attention. Kryesor is being a very grouchy old fart... Now when I say crouchy I mean crouchy.

The boys or guys who are bigger than he is, he would always love to have them rub him all over with petting. (Coming to him grabbing him by the sides and rubbing him all over while being all goofy.) But that was a while ago.

I was covering up his holes he dug, when one of the guys who used to always come visit my dog and play with him stopped by. My dog remembered him and showed all the same signs he shows me when I come home from work. Wagging tail, excited, happy, wanting me to give him hugs and kisses and some down time. (That's me, I didn't expect it from the guys of course.)

Well, he told me one time, he came over and did the usual thing he used to do. (It had been almost 1 year since he's seen this particular guy.) And he said without warning he bit him and drew blood. I was shocked and I asked him why didn't you tell me about this? He said I didn't want him to be taken away. And I told him, no, this is a serious problem that I needed to address with him. (I said this calmily as I could.) So, my dog is doing the same thing he does with me. And he was hesitant and talked to my dog, the last time I went to see you you bit me. So, since it happened long ago, there is nothing I can do about it because he's not going to remember anyways. Well before he left, while I was shoveling adn leveling out the ground he dug, he said okay I'm coming over to give you a pet.

I turned to watch and boom! He did it. And I was there in which I came with a stern No!

So, I figured that the next time he is around, that I'm going to have him just throw treats at him next time and ask him to refrain from even petting him. And he thought that was a good ideah. (Lord I hope it is.)

So, the next day, my sister and her boyfriend stopped by. And I mentioned to them about this and how I was shocked and hoped that wouldn't happen to any one else. Well, my sister's boyfreind is a real um... what's the word... daredevil. And he told me, my dog hates all men which I didn't believe. He went right up to my dog and went to pet him on the head in which my dog showed the same thing he showed me.

Kryesor growled, but didn't snap and he stopped his advances. Afraid he might bite, I went over and called him away which he did very easily. (I felt telling him NO at that point would be reinforcing?)

So, now I have this dilemna. I think he has something against guys. I took him to the vet and the vet says he is healthy as an old timer should be. I asked to check his teeth thinking maybe it was a lose or aching tooth and nothing. So now, I've decided that before any male comes to my grandmother house (Where I live also) that they have to toss a special treat to him. But those guys rarely come over so it won't always be a constant thing. So now, I'm wondering what to do.

I could get my neiphews to come over every day, but then he would be accustomed to them... So any ideahs or anything would be helpful. I really want to nip this in the bud.

This was what I saw from my point of view. Tall guy, bending over him and bringing his arms toward his neck. (Dog thinks this I'm thinking.) And of course his reaction is to protect it and since he can't get away, bite. Not to mention him in his deep voice he may see as the person growling.

For the pet on the head with the second, he actually warned and did not advance to a bite. (He had an escape route.) Coming over his head to come down... thinking he is attacking me???

My point is, when they woudl do this, he never reacted like he did. So any ideahs?
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Old 08-31-2010, 08:11 AM
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My first thought is that you are reading your dog correctly... he actually felt threatened by the behavior of these men. Its not "polite" in doggy society to swoop right in, stoop over, and reach out and touch the dog, particularly on the head. People THINK a dog will like this, but its actually very threatening behavior.

Here is a book I recommend that might help you to understand your dog's behavior better. I heard about it here, on this forum, got it and read it in a day or two. Its very short and clear and I learned TONS from it.
Amazon.com: On Talking Terms With Dogs: Calming Signals (9781929242368): Turid Rugaas: Books Amazon.com: On Talking Terms With Dogs: Calming Signals (9781929242368): Turid Rugaas: Books

I think your instincts to try to help your dog make pleasant associations with men/boys is right on. You'll probably need to coach your male friends on how to approach. Lots of guys just want to go right in and "rough house" with a dog, but some dogs really hate that. Your idea of treats and helping the guys to be less aggressive with the dog, I suspect, are the way to go.

Folks around here more experienced with these issues will hopefully chime in!
Meanwhile, I think you are doing the right thing to listen to your dog.
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:56 PM
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can't add much to tess's post except you need to manage him very carefully now. Honestly, he needs to not be exposed to strangers for now at all, and likely not ever again. A warning snap and a growl is one thing, but drawing blood is a whole new can of worms, even tho the men were rude.
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My first thought is that you are reading your dog correctly... he actually felt threatened by the behavior of these men. Its not "polite" in doggy society to swoop right in, stoop over, and reach out and touch the dog, particularly on the head. People THINK a dog will like this, but its actually very threatening behavior.

Here is a book I recommend that might help you to understand your dog's behavior better. I heard about it here, on this forum, got it and read it in a day or two. Its very short and clear and I learned TONS from it.
Amazon.com: On Talking Terms With Dogs: Calming Signals (9781929242368): Turid Rugaas: Books

I think your instincts to try to help your dog make pleasant associations with men/boys is right on. You'll probably need to coach your male friends on how to approach. Lots of guys just want to go right in and "rough house" with a dog, but some dogs really hate that. Your idea of treats and helping the guys to be less aggressive with the dog, I suspect, are the way to go.

Folks around here more experienced with these issues will hopefully chime in!
Meanwhile, I think you are doing the right thing to listen to your dog.
Thanks I will look into that when I get home from work. On lunch break.

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can't add much to tess's post except you need to manage him very carefully now. Honestly, he needs to not be exposed to strangers for now at all, and likely not ever again. A warning snap and a growl is one thing, but drawing blood is a whole new can of worms, even tho the men were rude.
These weren't strangers, these were friends and relatives. I've already (as much as I hate it) bought a "beware of the dog" sign and put it up in our yard. To keep strangers from moving toward him.

So I will go with what is here and I think you are right Crio. Strangers from now on are no no see dog. As for the blood drawn, that was a first for me and have I had known and had he told me, I would have nipped it in the bud.

Thanks guys.
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just a warning on the 'beware of dog" sign...it opens you up to liablility...its like posting a "my dog bites" sign...which then indicates you KNEW your dog was dangerous...I'd find a "dog in yard" sign, which does not inplicated the dog is dangerous...

as far as the friend/relative thing, anyone that doesn't interact with the dog on a very regular basis, imo is a stranger as far as the dog is concerned

I know you'll do the right thing, no worries
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just a warning on the 'beware of dog" sign...it opens you up to liablility...its like posting a "my dog bites" sign...which then indicates you KNEW your dog was dangerous...I'd find a "dog in yard" sign, which does not inplicated the dog is dangerous...

as far as the friend/relative thing, anyone that doesn't interact with the dog on a very regular basis, imo is a stranger as far as the dog is concerned

I know you'll do the right thing, no worries

aha I get ya. So even though he sees them once in a while means stranger. That does make sense.

I couldn't find a dog in yard sign so i have to get it shipped via net. I can't wait til i move yo a city that has more than one company.
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