02-08-2010, 03:38 AM
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#11 | | Dog Forum Team Member
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| He's just trying to play with you. Either teach him not to bite by walking away. OR grab a toy and engage in play with him with his toy.
Yelling 'let go' or yelping or pushing or smacking his nose-is reinforcing the behavior. He just thinks your playing. He WANTS to play with you. You may think 'let go!' or swatting or yelping etc would suck-but obviously they mean 'keep playing this is fun'
Watch your video-watch when you say 'let go' -he's playing and thinks you are too.
Watch how your interacting with him-your moving your fingers around practically asking him to 'try to keep up with them' and keep nibbling and having fun. You are encouraging him
Either ignore/walk away or get a toy and play tug or throw or what have you |
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02-09-2010, 12:01 AM
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#12 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tucson Az
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| If you want to prevent and stop your dog biting, then the best time thing you can do is start training your dog when it is a puppy. Puppies naturally love to play, and enjoy interacting with people. But they are also impressionable, so if you teach them right from wrong early on and enforce it consistently, then they will not develop bad habits such as biting.
Have toys available for your puppy to play with, and do not allow any games that have the puppy biting a person (such as tug of war or wrestling). If the puppy does bite you, even in play, immediately give a high pitched "Ouch" loud enough to startle the puppy. Your puppy will actually recognize what you are doing: when puppies play with each other, they let one another know that they've been hurt with a loud whelp. So do the same, and your pup will know to stop biting.
Never punish your puppy physically, as this will just provoke him and develop a long-term fear of you that will take much hard work to reverse. Instead, just verbalize, and ignore the puppy for a few minutes. Repeat this a few times and the puppy will quickly learn that people won't stay and play if they are bit. Since puppies love attention, this lesson will be quickly learned. Avoid games like tug of war or games that involve taking items out of the puppy's mouth, as this can lead to biting and start bad habits.
Everyone in the family should be consistent with this training. Children should be taught how to handle a bite from a puppy, and should be supervised when they are playing with the puppy. The children may have to learn how to play with the puppy just as the puppy needs to learn to play with them. Be careful not to allow the puppy to mouth or bite on your fingers. Some people mistakenly see this as affectionate or cute behavior. It is, in fact, teaching your dog that it is all right to bite people, and can develop into serious dog aggression if untreated. Not a message that you wish to leave with your puppy! If your puppy continues to bite... Only use this method if you are sure your puppy won't bite too hard! If your puppy does not stop biting, you can discourage the biting by loosely holding her lower jaw between your thumb and forefinger--after she has taken your hand in her mouth. DON'T hurt her by squeezing too hard; just gently hang on so that wherever her mouth goes, your hand goes too. Ten seconds of this and your puppy should get the idea. When you next put your hand near the pup, if she ignores it or licks it, PRAISE IMMEDIATELY. If she tries is a bad idea. A second option is Bitter Apple or other aversive substances. Coat gloves with a foul-tasting substance such as bitter apple. Every time your dog tries to bite, he should be repelled by the taste and stop biting. The only risk is that your dog will fear the gloves more than the act of biting itself, so do not rely exclusively on this method. |
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02-09-2010, 12:38 AM
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#13 | | Dog Forum Team Member
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| I used redirection, the "yipe" and stop...the walk away...and it still took about two weeks to get a predictable result. Theres no quick fix, just be consistant. Chili was just as bad.
IMO the redirection to a toy is the best method, eventually he will start to go to the toy on his own.
but yeah, normal puppy. Quote: |
If you want to prevent and stop your dog biting, then the best time thing you can do is start training your dog when it is a puppy. Puppies naturally love to play, and enjoy interacting with people. *snip*
| nicely plaguerized btw Dog Training To Stop Biting
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02-09-2010, 12:54 AM
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#14 | | Dog Forum Team Member
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| Quote: | Only use this method if you are sure your puppy won't bite too hard! If your puppy does not stop biting, you can discourage the biting by loosely holding her lower jaw between your thumb and forefinger--after she has taken your hand in her mouth. DON'T hurt her by squeezing too hard; just gently hang on so that wherever her mouth goes, your hand goes too. Ten seconds of this and your puppy should get the idea. When you next put your hand near the pup, if she ignores it or licks it, PRAISE IMMEDIATELY. If she tries is a bad idea.
| ime, this is not a good idea, and yes, i have tried this before.... it is more effective to walk away from the puppy everytime Quote: | A second option is Bitter Apple or other aversive substances. Coat gloves with a foul-tasting substance such as bitter apple. Every time your dog tries to bite, he should be repelled by the taste and stop biting. The only risk is that your dog will fear the gloves more than the act of biting itself, so do not rely exclusively on this method.
| this may seem to work for a second, but if you don't have the gloves on...then there is no aversive, and thus the dog/puppy will continue to bite... also, many dogs will get over their dislike of bitter apple, it really doesn't teach them not to bite, only that sometimes your hands don't taste nice...
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02-10-2010, 06:23 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia
Posts: 629
| I have tried and tried to work with Loekin on his biting.
But nothing is working!
I have been yelping "OUCH!" when he bites then walking away for awhile.
When I come back he does it again! and again and again!
Its like I am not getting anywhere with him. I know it takes time but by now shouldn't there be a little improvement? it actually seams to be getting worse..He growls now when I say ouch!
I cant even enjoy him, as the only thing he does is bite me every chance he gets!
Even when I am walking around the room, he runs, bites my feet/shocks and holds on for dear life!
I just dont understand! I know puppies teeth but he is doing way beyond just teething!
What can I do????  |
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02-10-2010, 06:35 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NC, USA
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| You have to keep QUIET HANDS. NO hand games, finger flopping, arm swinging. This all encourages what you are trying to stop.
Keep toys handy ALL THE TIME. Do not have the puppy out if you don't have several toys close by. Play with the puppy with the toys, a LOT. Play tug. Let him win. Encourage him to come back to you. Every now and then give him a treat for letting go of the toy. Say "out" each time he spits out the toy for the treat.
Remember, NO HAND GAMES. Quiet hands are a must! If the puppy grabs onto something he should not, take him gently by the loose skin on the back of the neck, or by his collar if he is wearing one, and gently and steadily lift up until he releases what he has. As he releases, say 'out'. Food reward him for doing this if you can, or play tug.
Give your puppy more exercise. Puppies should be tired out tongue flopping tired several times per day, so they can get good nap times.
If your puppy seems over stimulated and is mouthing a lot, manage the issue. Let him go outside. Put him on the leash and take him for a brisk walk. Throw a toy for him to fetch.
And remember what? QUIET HANDS! I still have to remind my husband of this when we have puppies here. I caught him the other night, he had JUST told Grace not to mess with his feet, and then there he was nudging her and stuff with his feet.
That is not fair to the puppy. So, keep hands quiet, play games with the toys, get your puppy MORE exercise, and if you are not in a puppy class, you need to be. |
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02-10-2010, 06:35 PM
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#17 | | Dog Forum Team Member
Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland
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| Are you redirecting to a toy EVERY TIME? Yelping Ouch worked for me but I know some have said it makes it worse so try not yelping. Just stand up walk away and stop playing with him. Give him a toy and ignore him. If you go back and he bites do it all over again, and again and again.
I know it is hard but try not to get frustrated he is just a puppy and he still has a lot to learn.
Be consistent and don't sit down thinking "Okay I am going to play with my puppy" think "okay time for a training session"
Hope that helps. It gets easier just be consistent and stay positive. |
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02-10-2010, 06:40 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member
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| Thanks guys.. |
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02-10-2010, 06:40 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NC, USA
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| Now, after watching that clip, you are definitely a huge factor in this issue.
1) if you want the puppy to stop mouthing you, STOP interacting with the puppy with your hands.
2) if the puppy does take hold of you or your finger, HOLD STILL. Don't pull, push, or otherwise resist. And say OWWWWWW! in a high pitched voice, to make it clear to the puppy he is hurting you. Think of what sound you would make is someone pinched you and it hurt. That is the sound you want to make. Your tone of voice when you tell the puppy to let go is loud and very unpleasant. IMO you should avoid this tone of voice with your puppy. Train yourself to focus on what he is doing right, not what he is doing wrong. Reward all the things you see that you like.
3) you have to use your most powerful training tool, and that is your brain. Go to YouTube, and watch clips of puppy training. Watch KikoPups clips, she is a fabulous trainer, you can learn so much from her.
Most of all, work to make your puppy SUCCESSFUL, not unsuccessful. Work to find ways to reward him, not to correct him. Work to help your puppy want to work with you. If he is doing something you don't like, DO NOT KEEP OFFERING HIM CHANCES TO DO IT.
Instead, think about it, and find a way to help him do what you WANT him to do.
He is obviously too young for puppy class, but I would strongly encourage you to get in one when he is 16 weeks or so. |
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02-10-2010, 07:19 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia
Posts: 629
| I know that now in the video I was in the wrrong.
I do not do that anymore, I have taken in what you guys have said and did it but still no luck.
He doesn't just bite me, he growls very meanly at me while biting me and if I say "OUCH!" he will growl even more then bark at me when he lets go (if he lets go)
I just want him to act like a normal happy puppy. |
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