my point was simply that letting the dog eat last, and keeping him off the bed are not going to help with his "dominance". Mumbo jumbo like that does not help with reactivity. It was an attempt to get the OP to see past that so they don't waste time worrying about it.
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| Until you have worked with hundreds of different breeds and dogs you can't say...this works, this doesn't. |
so basically no one here on this forum is fit to give advice on what works and what doesn't? How do
you define 'worked with" ?
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| I find it difficult to take anyone seriously that has no real evidence to back their claims |
The door swings both ways, strangely NO ONE has shown anything
resembling proof on the other side of the fence. Not even a link. Not once. Show me a feral dog colony with a rigid dominance heirarchy. All domestic animals revert to wild type when feral over generations. Strangly enough dogs do not revert back to wolves in either appearance or behavior.
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| how do you not see this as a means to manipulate your interaction with them in the social hierarchy? |
because its not. Simple as that. The owner has taught the dog
being pushy works. So the dog
does what works, just like a dolphin a human and an amoeba does. All organisms simply do what gets the reward and avoid aversives. If you want to call that "manipulation" then every single interaction between organisms is "manipulation".
If sitting gets him what he wants is he still dominant? Same outcome, but strangely only the pushing dog is "dominant". The sitting dog still got the resource (attention) but sitting is considered polite? . That makes no sense to me and i would love som'one to explain how two dogs getting the same resource two ways equals a polite dog and a dominant dog.
If you still want to look at it in dominance terms The human controls ALL resources and is ALWAYS dominant if you want to look at it that way.
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| When that really pushy dog doesn't get what they want and starts nipping for a pet, or growling or just getting dangerously frustrated because you are now changing their expectations |
first of all, MOST dogs would not do this. Secondly, I don't know what you are trying to illustrate here? You really want me to go into how to extiguish, redirect or prevent a behavior? How are the expectations changing? I don't get what you are getting at here.
If a dog is "dangerously" frustrated at your failure to move out of his way when you previous would.. I'd say a wire is loose in that dogs head and the line being bred needs serious evaluation.
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| When do you think it is time to use some more NILIF...all of which is social behaviour based on that dominance issue you don't like. |
Nilif is more about giving the dog an outlet and giving him a sense of control and predicabitity in his life then establishing "leadership".
Mentally Stimulated dogs behave better. Dog on a routine behave better. Dogs that know whats expected and what the consequences are behave better. They don't behave better because they found out that their owner is magically their "leader" because he asks (or makes) him sit for everything now. If the doors magically opened by remote when the dog sits, or if food magically apeared when he settled...nilif would STILL WORK without the human. Its a job for a jobless dog.
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| Crio...you are saying they are bored and just want attention and for you to not ignore them...okay |
I never said this. Please point out where I said this.
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| Either you have had some softer dogs and not encountered this |
you repeately in many threads now keep trying to downplay mine and others experience and upplay yours. I'd love you hear what you *think* my experience and knowlege levels are as it feels to me like you keep trying to insult them
I know nothing of yours, except you own a kennel. In fact, I know nothing about you at all, which is why I don't make comments like that to you. I don't try to downplay your experience and I am asking you nicely as I would apreciate it if you would quit being so presumptous with mine. Just because I disagree with you does not make me inexperienced or stupid. In fact I find most of the "experienced" bragging dog people I meet to be stuck in their time.
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I had alot of issues with nipping, it was a dominance thing he liked to play with me when I would go to pet him he would turn his head to my hand and put his mouth on my arm or hand with his tail wagging.
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so, he wants to play with you. And that makes him "dominate"? Goodness.
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