Ranting about rescues.

pawzaddict

That is awesome. I will have to forward these on to my friend who has a papillon, she would love to do something like this, especially the dancing!

I dont take my chi's camping as I do not need them running off to pee and get swooped up by a hawk, wolf, coyote, bear, etc. Sounds like you have a different camping area so that's refreshing.

I understand, I did not mean to come off like challenge your grandmother, just stating my point.

Just be careful with their feathers as they can get tangled like nobodies business.

LOL ty I enjoy playing devils advocate only to get people thinking, I mean no harm so I am glad you did not take any offense to it.

BTW I used to want a pap so bad but then realized I am not a small dog person

natenqen

Yeah, I just about died when I saw Rookie and her owner and did more youtube research and had found many doggy freestyle. I'm actually surprised you never heard of a Pap doing those.


One of the benefits of living in a cut off land. I think the only real worry I'd have when camping is the fox, but they are rarely seen. I would still becareful non the less.


I understand your point.

Not to worry there. I found a really good site and I've actually been studying on how they do a proper cut. (I'm a site type of person. I need both words and pictures to understand something like this.)

Lol. No, I've learned that everyone has their opinion and idea. I just love when it comes to someone challengeing me to take them up and 'defend' not the right word, but close enough.

Oh, the owner of the female mal is the one I always got into arguements with. (They were all fun and before he decided to be a byb.) I remembered one time, I decided to agree with him and leave it at that. The next day, our other friend told me about how pissed off he was that I didn't argue with him. He was waiting and wanting an arguement. (Actually I was told he practice with comebacks which makes it more funny.)

Criosphynx

well... there is not hard, set in stone definition for what "drive" is. So it may mean som'thing different to you than it does to me, if that makes sense....but I have seen them do agility and whatnot, and they seem to have medium to high energy levels and are considered easy to train

pawzaddict

Sorry, I meant drive to do something like agility...I think the problem is most people get these small breeds and dont train them so I am used to seeing small breeds run amuck around the home and yard and thats it lol. I guess it makes sense that the hyper attitudes can be turned into something like agility. I also am not a small dog person so never look into things like that, I know that jack russels (go figure) do lots of different agility things and dachshunds do the races, but thats about as far as I ever got with small dogs and agility.

Mikey

Just wanted to comment on this; not at all-you should do breed research. But I also think, there are breed tendancies, and characteristics, but not all dogs in the same breed are alike. So while you should know a great deal about what breeds you like AND dislike (and can't or won't have)-you should then judge the dog on the dog. There are labs who don't like balls, and there are calm jack russels...(same hand-people with a loud beagle or an energetic lab got what they SHOULD have expected)
So I'd say...rather then focus on one breed, choose a few. Then choose a few you DONT want. Then hit up a shelter and see who fits the profile and steals your heart -or keep trying with the breeder.

Joe

VERY well said.

From my own personal experience, it's not the breed, but the owner and the enviroment that makes the dog.

The experiences that I have had working with people who will only accept one breed (that is a generality and not an absolute). For example, I've litterally had people try to barter their own animals for a certain breed in my care.

Long story short, and only my opinion, a dog is a dog. The question is how much time and effort you want to put in the animal.

Laurelin

Hey sorry I'm getting to this late! I just wanted to clarify a few things. We've had so far 7 papillons and I will definitely be having them the rest of my life. They are very cool little dogs.

This is true. My papillons are on average about twice the size of an in standard chihuahua.

This isn't true... they are a wash and wear breed and don't need professional grooming. Like all longhaired dogs, though, their feet get messy and need to be trimmed every month or two. But they don't need any clipping of their hair.

I brush mine maybe once a week. They play in mud all the time and don't ever tangle. They're considered a wash and wear breed.

Papillons are for the most part VERY drivey compared to other toy breeds. I do agility with my two right now and they put the big dogs in class to shame. They are nicknamed the border collie of the toy group and it's for a good reason. Very intelligent problem solvers and typically medium-high energy and a substantial amount of drive.

There is a wide range of drive/energy levels in the breed. If you play your cards right you can find a papillon that rivals border collie drive levels. Mia is one of those dogs. She is super high energy and driven (especially when it comes to tennis balls) Mia comes from a line well known for producing some fantastic sports dogs. I knew going into getting her she'd be a challenge and she really is. A high drive papillon is not for the faint of heart. She is the most energetic, destructive force of a dog I have ever owned (including our old BC mix and our old shepherd and our shelties... Mia tops them all) I spend at least 2 hours a day wearing Mia out. Here's some of Mia's relatives performing...

MACH1 Braylor's HG Hearts Desire NF MX MXJ CL4-R CL4-F CL4-H CL3-S



Braylor's Playing With Fire NA NAJ FD (NAFA flyball dog title) CGC



AGII Braylor's First Contact NA NAJ NF NAC O-NJC NCC NJC TG-O TN-E CL3-R CL2-H CL3-F CL3-S CGC TDI



Mia's brother Dallas (I forget his titles)



There are more, but I'll stop. The highest agility title held by a papillon is a MACH10, I think. MACH10 Pinpaps Jonquil Of Skipnlena

A papillon was actually the first obedience, agility, and conformation champion in the AKC- OTCh Ch Loteki Sudden Impulse UDX TDX MX (MX was the top agility title when 'Zack' was competing). In 1999 the AKC added the title of Master Agility Champion (MACH) and 3 of the first 16 dogs of all breeds to earn this title were papillons. In 1999 a Papillon named Peek was named Delta Society's Service Animal of the Year. This is a very versatile breed and paps are pretty much the go to breed nowadays for a toy sized dogsports dog.

Not to scare anyone away because you can find a laid back papillon. Rose is a very calm dog but our other 4 are not. Mia is one of the most intense dogs I've ever met... she's also only 6 lbs.

My papillons are a joy to have. So smart and owner responsive. Easy to train and energetic. If you think you want one, go for it! You won't be disappointed.

If you have any questions, I would love to help! Like I said, we've had 7 papillons over the years. I've done a little bit of conformation with Beau but I focus more on agility. I'm hoping to start competing with Summer next year. Mia is just doing beginners at the moment.

Oh and don't feel bad, I was turned down for pretty much every papillon rescue I applied for. i ended up getting Mia and don't regret it at all. She's an AWESOME dog and pretty much everything I could have ever asked for.

pawzaddict

I used to have to trim up paps (feathers and pads) all the time and I had to detangle so many which was horrific. So I was giving my experience on the breed, along with them not participating in activities like agility...my personal experience with the breed. Again I think this is a breed that most people get for the looks and to be the cute little dog, I rarely see any even with manners.

Oh and any weekly brushing that doesnt involve a quick swoop with a zoom groom is constant brushing to me I have all short haired dogs except for one which has an undercoat.

Laurelin

I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. They're my heart breed for sure.

pawzaddict

Oh that's fine, you quoted what I had said and commented on it so wanted to make sure it was clear that my comments were from my experiences not just random
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